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Okay, what can we realistically expect from a Trump presidency?
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Luckily he will be on a short leash. I simply expect paralysis. I don't think Democrats are going to budge.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)
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There are already laws in the US against foreign espionage, Donnie. Do your homework before taking officeOriginally posted by President Trump View PostOn my first day in office, my very first goddamn day, I'm going to be signing a new law stopping you goddamn Krauts from spying on good god-fearing Americans! Oh and wait until I dismantle NATO and give my good buddy Vlad (great guy, really great guy) a free pass on taking back East Germany.You losers won't know what's hit you! We're taking back this great country and making it bigger and better than anything you goddamn euro-weenies could ever imagine!
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. . . because they spent a whole month in that park and emerged with absolutely no credible plan of action? They didn't organize, they didn't prioritize, they didn't take concrete steps to implement change. They seemed to be under the impression that they could fix things simply by being sufficiently angry and disruptive for a sufficiently long period of time. To some extent, this seems to be a problem with American liberalism as a whole; we've learned the wrong lessons from the Sixties.Originally posted by kentonio View PostJust ask yourself why you think that. It was a spontaneous uprising of huge numbers of people who weren't led by a recognizable figure or a polished leader, it was just normal people who were angry and didn't think what was happening was fair. I can't think of anything MORE serious than the kind of fury it takes for normal everyday westerners to walk out onto the streets en masse and protest without a celebrity or a politician sparking it and calling for them to participate.
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Yes, get organized, but at least be open minded enough to look at what he tries to do before summarily blocking it.Originally posted by Giancarlo View PostI don't condone acts of violence. Getting organized for 2018 is best and so is pushing Democrats to gridlock anything Trump tries to do.
Don't be what you've complained about.It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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re occupy: looks like the same as with other anger/protst votes/movements - it's the easiest thing in the world to be "against it" (whatever), however, working a out a positive alternative that is more than general bubbles (make Am. great again) seems rather tricky (requiring work and lotsa considerations, way less entertaining than just blaming someone/something)Blah
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I think we need to make him look like an idiot and block anything and everything he tries to do. At the end of the day, we need to win back Congress in two years.Originally posted by rah View PostYes, get organized, but at least be open minded enough to look at what he tries to do before summarily blocking it.
Don't be what you've complained about.
I wouldn't even bother looking at anything he does. At this stage, it all needs to be blocked.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)
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Looking at the Wiki for BLM. They seem to be big fans of silly street theater a la Occupy (which was my general impression before reading). Is there some sort of long-term plan beyond protesting here? I'm scanning the article for mentions of policy proposals or election campaigns and coming up awful dry. There's a reference to something called Campaign Zero which makes specific proposals, but then notes that BLM activists criticize it for being "overly focused on legislative remedies for police violence." As opposed to . . . ?
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Originally posted by BeBro View PostLooks like the same as with other anger/protst votes/movements - it's the easiest thing in the world to be "against it" (whatever), however, working a out a positive alternative that it more than general bubbles (make Am. great again) seems rather tricky (requiring work and lotsa considerations, way less entertaining than just blaming someone/something)
While that's true you first need to empty the glass in order to fill it again.
Everything has its usefulness as society expresses and reasserts itself
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Campaign Zero sounds like it would be more effective for sure.Originally posted by Elok View PostLooking at the Wiki for BLM. They seem to be big fans of silly street theater a la Occupy (which was my general impression before reading). Is there some sort of long-term plan beyond protesting here? I'm scanning the article for mentions of policy proposals or election campaigns and coming up awful dry. There's a reference to something called Campaign Zero which makes specific proposals, but then notes that BLM activists criticize it for being "overly focused on legislative remedies for police violence." As opposed to . . . ?For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)
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Hell, Gian. I called the election wrong too. It happens. I was right in 2012, and wrong about the swings.
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Yea. It happens.Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostHell, Gian. I called the election wrong too. It happens. I was right in 2012, and wrong about the swings.
I already said I was mistaken.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)
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You never know... that game plan may make the Dems look even worse, and give the Repubs a chance for an even bigger majority.Originally posted by Giancarlo View PostI think we need to make him look like an idiot and block anything and everything he tries to do. At the end of the day, we need to win back Congress in two years.
I wouldn't even bother looking at anything he does. At this stage, it all needs to be blocked.
Gee... blocking everything without even looking at it. I thought you said you were educated?Keep on Civin'
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We shall see then. But Trump is an idiot and I am not interested in what he wants to do.Originally posted by Ming View PostYou never know... that game plan may make the Dems look even worse, and give the Repubs a chance for an even bigger majority.
Gee... blocking everything without even looking at it. I thought you said you were educated?
Republicans are not set up to keep their majority by 2018. They will shed seats.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)
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Even if it is something that helps you?Originally posted by Giancarlo View PostWe shall see then. But Trump is an idiot and I am not interested in what he wants to do.
Just your opinion... and not worth much based on your last predictions.Republicans are not set up to keep their majority by 2018. They will shed seats.Keep on Civin'
RIP rah, Tony Bogey, Baron O and Slowwhand
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