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  • #226
    Just remember the democrats have the people and candidates to make a major comeback in two or four years. They simply didn't nominate other candidates this time around.

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    She is the big one to keep an eye out for. Half African American, half Indian... And she is known to be quite powerful. She has much more effective leadership abilties and was an attorney general of California.

    Could she be one to run for President? Highly possible. She replaced retiring Barbara Boxer and will be one of the most visible in Congress.

    The problem with Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania is that Democrats simply did not turn out to vote. Perhaps true with Ohio too.
    Last edited by Giancarlo; November 10, 2016, 16:59. Reason: Barbara Boxer, not Nancy Pelosi.
    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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    • #227
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      Enough said.

      As I said, I think she will be the one leading the Senate Democrats. And as a Californian, not someone who takes no for an answer.
      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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      • #228
        Originally posted by Giancarlo View Post
        The problem with Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania is that Democrats simply did not turn out to vote. Perhaps true with Ohio too.
        Why oh why people of Detroit didn't vote for Clinton and Wall Street? Srsly?

        I have a better question, why oh why people of Detroit didn't hang Clinton and Wall Street for what they did with Detroit?
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        • #229
          Pretty sure a freshman senator is not going to be running the show.

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          • #230
            Originally posted by Ellestar View Post
            Why oh why people of Detroit didn't vote for Clinton and Wall Street? Srsly?

            I have a better question, why oh why people of Detroit didn't hang Clinton and Wall Street for what they did with Detroit?

            Well, hanging may be a little bit extreme, but why someone from Detroit may want to vote for Wall Street talking head?
            Take your bias somewhere else. Your nasty views on gay people explain how delusional your views are.

            Detriot voted for Hillary by a huge margin percentage wise by the way. Just that turnout was lower.
            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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            • #231
              Originally posted by giblets View Post
              Pretty sure a freshman senator is not going to be running the show.
              Like... Obama.

              And Harris actually has more prior experience than Obama (the 2008 Obama that is). Her time as Attorney General was significant and well noted. She is getting a lot of name recognition and her own background will matter.
              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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              • #232
                Originally posted by Giancarlo View Post
                Take your bias somewhere else. Your nasty views on gay people explain how delusional your views are.

                Detriot voted for Hillary by a huge margin percentage wise by the way. Just that turnout was lower.
                Well, hanging may be a little bit extreme, but why someone from Detroit may want to vote for Wall Street talking head? Just like you say "fu Trump we should be against whatever he does no matter what without even listening", i think that's exactly the attitude that workers from Detroit should be expected to have towards Clinton and the likes of her.
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                • #233
                  Originally posted by Ellestar View Post
                  Well, hanging may be a little bit extreme, but why someone from Detroit may want to vote for Wall Street talking head? Just like you say "fu Trump we should be against whatever he does no matter what without even listening", i think that's exactly the attitude that workers from Detroit should be expected to have towards Clinton and the likes of her.
                  Detroit did vote overwhelmingly for her percentage wise. You don't even know what you are talking about at this point. Just go away.
                  For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                  • #234
                    Originally posted by Giancarlo View Post
                    Half African American, half Indian...
                    Why should this even matter?
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                    • #235
                      Originally posted by onodera View Post
                      Why should this even matter?
                      It was one small point.

                      Care to read the rest of my message or does everyone in Russia only read selectively?
                      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                      • #236
                        It's unclear how much, if anything, he will do about immigration. His signature proposal on the matter was fantastically impractical, and mainly used as a slogan or metaphor for the campaign itself. Getting rid of all illegals would be extremely complicated, trample on a lot of civil-liberties toes, and generate a lot of ill-will. It would also do bad things to the economy. Which doesn't mean he wouldn't try, but it seems more probable to me that his first focus will be on avenging various petty grudges.
                        Prior to LBJ, the US had pretty tight immigration restrictions. I suspect that Trump will end up going the pre-LBJ route. It would be workable. The argument would be along the lines that the US has to assimilate current immigration - which is as high as a proportion of the population as it's ever been.
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                        • #237
                          Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                          Prior to LBJ, the US had pretty tight immigration restrictions. I suspect that Trump will end up going the pre-LBJ route. It would be workable. The argument would be along the lines that the US has to assimilate current immigration - which is as high as a proportion of the population as it's ever been.
                          Won't happen. He won't be able to convince the Senate on that one.
                          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                          • #238
                            FWIW, I don't support Trump's policy on immigration. I think the US should have a system where folks can pay to become citizens of the United States, rather than the present system which is a free-for all. It's been done before, and it's usually pretty successful. Rather than having people rejected because they aren't in the quota, if they really want to be Americans they can get over the hump. It wouldn't affect me because I'm already here.
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                            • #239
                              He won't be able to convince the Senate on that one.
                              IDK, there are a lot of Democrats who would be sympathetic to the position.
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                              • #240
                                Originally posted by Giancarlo View Post
                                Like... Obama.

                                And Harris actually has more prior experience than Obama (the 2008 Obama that is). Her time as Attorney General was significant and well noted. She is getting a lot of name recognition and her own background will matter.
                                Obama was not leading the Senate Democrats during his time in the Senate.

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