Unofficial Apolyton Predicts

[Bereta_Eder]

Trump obviously is saying whatever he thinks is going to win him the election. That's, I guess, within the framework of the game. But it comes out too "out there" and is dismissed by many.
The reason though that trump is sailing ahead will not go away regardless of him and will keep coming back untill "it" wins.

[Elok]

I was referring to the way he would deliberately go out of his way to antagonize protesters at his rallies, stoking the flames as high as possible, then acting shocked when violence resulted. Hillary isn't known for playing similar games, though of course that could simply be her superior talent for keeping her hands clean.

[Bereta_Eder]

I was referring to the way he would deliberately go out of his way to antagonize protesters at his rallies, stoking the flames as high as possible, then acting shocked when violence resulted. Hillary isn't known for playing similar games, though of course that could simply be her superior talent for keeping her hands clean.

I understand that there's complete freedom of speech in america which is admirable.
I also think that's because there are so many guns that if you try to do something about something you don't like to hear someone might shoot you.

That I don't find very commentable.

However here is a tidbit of the "extreme" far that has been milked untill the one who prophesizes it comes to power.

Peace in a set rule of game, favors the one who rules that game.

[Elok]

I think he could be much stronger, even if he kept much of his existing horrible message, if he just had the ability to appear respectable on command. If he could, for example, pretend to care enough about issues to actually lay out concrete plans for stuff instead of vague promises of awesome stupendous goodness, I imagine that would slice a solid, lasting 2% off Hillary's lead right there. I think we're in a place where we'd totally vote for a fascist, if he didn't seem to have the attention span of a squirrel.

[Bereta_Eder]

I think he could be much stronger, even if he kept much of his existing horrible message, if he just had the ability to appear respectable on command. If he could, for example, pretend to care enough about issues to actually lay out concrete plans for stuff instead of vague promises of awesome stupendous goodness, I imagine that would slice a solid, lasting 2% off Hillary's lead right there. I think we're in a place where we'd totally vote for a fascist, if he didn't seem to have the attention span of a squirrel.

I think that Trump's allure comes from him presenting himself to be, and to a certain extend is, an anti-systemic.
Which basically means that he can say nearly anything he likes, as long as to the eyes of some of the people he is not a part of the elite.

[Bereta_Eder]

Pre-election campaigns are all about promises that border on the supernatural.
That's not the point and it's expected.
What every politician needs to sell is "change".
The "west" at large has entered a phase of "insuburdination" steaming from the paradoxalities and dead ends of free markets, globilization the ultimate control of finance on political power.
Everyone milks it the way he likes but that drive for "change" that wins each and every election, this time, in this framework, has to be or presented to be radical.

[Elok]

I'm not saying he has to be a total freaking wonk like Hillary. Right now, to the extent that he has plans at all, they're obviously cooked up by his aides as standard GOP sops to the rich. If he replaced, "this X is going to be YUGE" with "we're going to do X, and Y, and the details are on my site if you care about all that," I don't think he would sacrifice all that much among his base, and it would help him a lot with the undecided. Bear in mind that his base would no more vote for Hillary than they would copulate with a saguaro cactus.

[C0ckney]

I was referring to the way he would deliberately go out of his way to antagonize protesters at his rallies, stoking the flames as high as possible, then acting shocked when violence resulted. Hillary isn't known for playing similar games, though of course that could simply be her superior talent for keeping her hands clean.

yes that kind of inflammatory rhetoric is a big black mark against him. hillary hasn't engaged in similar talk, but she has rather caused people or had her operatives cause people to engage in violence at trump events.

[Aeson]

There's something to this. There was a recent-ish article in . . . the New Yorker, was it? Can't recall. Anyway, it was an analysis of Trump voters' motivations, which concluded that a good part of it was simple rage at the endless contempt and condescension directed their way by liberal elites. In the exact same issue someone wrote a terribly clever satirical "the Pences visit Manhattan" piece, which basically served as a case study in dickish liberal condescension. The couple go to New York, for example, and can't think of anywhere better to eat than Red Lobster. If you can imagine. HARRRRRRRR.

It's not so one sided. Rush Limbaugh and other right wing radio were founded on trying to make "liberal" and "intellectual" into dirty words, and that disdain became pervasive on the right in the 90s. It wasn't until W that the left really started responded in-kind, and mainstream media, for all they are condemned with by the mainstream right, have yet to respond anywhere near as consistently with a similar attack on "conservative".

[giblets]

Of course not.

I hope you have a **** weekend and I hope you step on a hornet's nest.

Take care

toss him out of a helicopter

[Elok]

The difference is that Hillary, at this point, overwhelmingly speaks for those in power. It's easy to ignore contempt when you're on top. When you're stuck in a dead-end town doing part-time crap work, it kinda stings to be written off as a stupid redneck POS.

[Bereta_Eder]

The difference is that Hillary, at this point, overwhelmingly speaks for those in power. It's easy to ignore contempt when you're on top. When you're stuck in a dead-end town doing part-time crap work, it kinda stings to be written off as a stupid redneck POS.

hehe...

and that's exactly at that fine balancing of the scale that "you" need to draw those people to the right solution and not to what usually happens

[giblets]

hehe...

and that's exactly at that fine balancing of the scale that "you" need to draw those people to the right solution and not to what usually happens

Good luck persuading stupid rednecks. Not even Bernie Sanders can.

[C0ckney]

apropos of nothing, i just started reading the new yorker article 'in the heart of trump country' that elok posted, and i noticed that the author uses the accent on élites. what an elitist! i wonder if she writes role as rôle? (and i say this as someone who is quite strict about putting the proper accents on imported french words).

[Bereta_Eder]

Well if you treat them and think of them like that, that's what you force them to be

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