Unofficial Apolyton Predicts

[Bereta_Eder]

She was beheaded
because brioche

[C0ckney]

You are getting it backwards. The real nastiness started on the right, and the left didn't respond with a similar concerted effort until about a decade after. In fact in the 90's the left was in shambles, and even D's were running away from the "liberal" moniker because of the widespread disdain that had been built up for it by right wing outlets.

Clinton actually was right of center overall and still the hatred for him from the right was unlike anything that had come before.

i don't really see how any of that affects the point i made. i am talking about what is going on today, and a similar phenomenon that is taking place in the UK in the run up to/wake of the brexit vote, where a large swath of the population are simply dismissed and their views delegitimised.

people are concerned about immigration/trade and the response is 'well, **** 'em, they're just racists who don't matter, and things will be better when they're gone; therefore, we needn't engage with/persuade them or address their concerns because of our own unquestionable moral superiority'. that's not the recipe for a healthy society.

[Elok]

You're forgetting the 90's, when there was a concerted effort on the right to make "liberal" and "intellectual" into dirty words.

I grew up in a Dem household where we said "Republican" in the same way you'd say "tapeworm," and for most of my childhood I never met anybody who implied I shouldn't be liberal. I had to go to church camp to actually meet unabashed conservatives and realize they weren't all vacuous mouth-breathing imbeciles or horrible redneck stereotypes. Well, no, we had one fiercely conservative family friend, but he was one of "the good ones," so to speak.

[giblets]

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She was beheaded
because brioche

America's poor get a lot more help from the government than 18th century French peasants

[Bereta_Eder]

And you won't be beheaded.
But that's about all the difference there is

[Elok]

America's poor get a lot more help from the government than 18th century French peasants

In the sense that they don't starve, yes. However, I have seen what getting helped in that fashion looks like from several different angles over the past decade, and if nothing else it's deeply demoralizing. Do you think the average Trumpist earnestly wants to spend the rest of his life on the dole?

[Aeson]

i don't really see how any of that affects the point i made. i am talking about what is going on today, and a similar phenomenon that is taking place in the UK in the run up to/wake of the brexit vote, where a large swath of the population are simply dismissed and their views delegitimised.

people are concerned about immigration/trade and the response is 'well, **** 'em, they're just racists who don't matter, and things will be better when they're gone; therefore, we needn't engage with/persuade them or address their concerns because of our own unquestionable moral superiority'. that's not the recipe for a healthy society.

You are addressing it as if the right is just responding to the left. This is their creation, Gian is actually the response. It matters because this movement on the right started in the 90's, and has very different roots than you are claiming.

[giblets]

And you won't be beheaded.
But that's about all the difference there is

Problem solved

[Bereta_Eder]

On a related aspect it must be pointed out the the french royalty's complete disregard for "peasants" apart from severing heads also led to the modern notion of nation state which nearly everyone follows and a concrete espousement of humanitarian and pan-anthropic values so it was well worth it.
Carry on

[giblets]

In the sense that they don't starve, yes. However, I have seen what getting helped in that fashion looks like from several different angles over the past decade, and if nothing else it's deeply demoralizing. Do you think the average Trumpist earnestly wants to spend the rest of his life on the dole?

Plenty of Republicans think people on the dole would love to spend the rest of their lives on the dole and not working

[Bereta_Eder]

Ah excellent.
giblets will be the first to go down

[giblets]

lol the US is not going to have a communist revolution

[C0ckney]

You are addressing it as if the right is just responding to the left. This is their creation, Gian is actually the response. It matters because this movement on the right started in the 90's, and has very different roots than you are claiming.

i don't think you've understood my point at all i'm afraid.

[Bereta_Eder]

lol the US is not going to have a communist revolution

You think that's the only way you and your ideas will go down?

And I'm sorry for that btw

[giblets]

You think that's the only way you and your ideas will go down?

And I'm sorry for that btw

what are my ideas?

if anyone has a proposal for dealing with unemployment I'm all ears