Unofficial Apolyton Predicts

[notyoueither]

I think Bernie was earnest. Not sure what would have happened with him in the general though. He has some big C Communist ties in his past, which probably doesn't go over any better with the angry white male voters than Hillary's corporate cronyism.

I think he would have left the Donald in the dust in a landslide. That really couldn't have been allowed to happen though...

[Kidlicious]

I think he would have left the Donald in the dust in a landslide. That really couldn't have been allowed to happen though...

Why do you say that? No one intervened and stopped Trump from being elected.

[Aeson]

I also think Bernie probably would have won. Not in a landslide though. His negatives were not likely to continue on and on and on like Hillary's did. So there wouldn't have been the big surprise ~a week before the election. Unless he's got something shady we don't know about.

[kentonio]

I think it would have been a landslide, largely because Bernie's platform undercut a huge part of Trumps but without the vile **** attached. You could vote for an outsider who wanted to reinvigorate the economy and help the working class without having to vote for Mr *****-Grabber.

[Main_Brain]

Americas long loud election campaign is over. The United States have a new President. On January 20th he will take the oath of office.
The Question is: Will the new man in the oval office confirm the worst worries going around about him, or will the develop from the simplifying right wing towards (the) differentiating centre?

http://www.zeit.de/1980/46/mit-reagan-in-die-traufe

Finally we can reuse all those Reagan quotes. Recycle!

[Jon Miller]

I think it would have been a landslide, largely because Bernie's platform undercut a huge part of Trumps but without the vile **** attached. You could vote for an outsider who wanted to reinvigorate the economy and help the working class without having to vote for Mr *****-Grabber.

I think that maybe the label Communist and his real communist ties might have lost some of it's impact after being applied (wrongly) to Obama. So maybe that wouldn't have harmed him so much.

Being a secular Jew I still think could have harmed him significantly. The majority of Christians are not rightwing Evangelicals, and people naturally prefer their president represents 'them' (in 'tribe' as well as platform).

We obviously don't know though.

JM
(He wasn't an atheist nor against religion so it might not have harmed him at all. But no one who didn't at least try to appear like a Christian has gotten anywhere near the presidency since Jefferson. Trump would have obviously had a difficult time attacking Bernie's lack of religiousness, but it doesn't mean he wouldn't try and succeed.)

[kentonio]

I think that maybe the label Communist and his real communist ties might have lost some of it's impact after being applied (wrongly) to Obama. So maybe that wouldn't have harmed him so much.

Yeah that was my thought on it, I think all those GOP attacks on Obama for so long had just taken most of the sting out of the accusation.

Being a secular Jew I still think could have harmed him significantly. The majority of Christians are not rightwing Evangelicals, and people naturally prefer their president represents 'them' (in 'tribe' as well as platform).

The religion issue was an odd one. He was willing to use quasi-religious terminology without any specific religion in there. I think it would probably have hurt him still with Evangelicals, but I think the blurriness might have carried him through more generally, especially as Trump isn't exactly a shining example of a Christian.

We obviously don't know though.

Sadly true.

[Ming]

It all would have come down to turn out.
Hillary lost because she couldn't get all the Dems to come out and vote for her. The blacks and youth didn't turn out for her any where near what they did for Obama.
If Bernie had been the candidate, he would have gotten the youth. And maybe Blacks would have finally seen that he was on their side far longer than Hillary, and been excited enough to actually vote. Now, would he have turned off the more conservative part of the party?

For all the money she spent, Hillary just didn't excite many people. Bernie could play to "change" message as well as Trump did.
Frankly, I think he would have slaughtered Trump.

[Jon Miller]

I would have been a lot more excited voting for Bernie.

And obviously Hillary was a bad candidate.

JM

[KrazyHorse]

I would have been a lot more excited voting for Bernie.

And obviously Hillary was a bad candidate.

JM

You're not representative of the folks the dems needed to win.

[Main_Brain]

whites?

[giblets]

Bernie could have won the popular vote by an even wider margin while still losing the electoral college

[KrazyHorse]

The clearest path to victory for him would have been to turn back the tide across the industrial Midwest and PA.

He would have gotten better support from young, college educated whites in those states but likely less support from older working class whites (and potentially nonwhites). Would be interesting to go back to the polling data back when he was a viable candidate (not primary results vs hillary, but head to heads vs trump where they exist).

[kentonio]

He would have gotten better support from young, college educated whites in those states but likely less support from older working class whites (and potentially nonwhites).

I suspect he'd have done very well amongst older working class whites, probably not full on seniors with their inbuild commie scare phobia, but the ones just after. That 'America' ad he produced was like a love note to the older white working class, and they apparently loved it.

[pchang]

Considering the "accuracy" of the polls, I'm not sure we would learn anything useful by comparing past head to head polling of Sanders vs. Trump.