Pope: Catholics should ask gay people for forgiveness

[kentonio]

And who's prejudiced here?

You are, provably so. Also your death cult continues to show its prejudice routinely, so don't come crying to me about how hard you get it, when Rome is responsible for so much evil.

Homeschooled children generally outperform their peers on the SATs.

SATs don't mean **** if you have retarded social skills.

Uh, Christians are indeed victims, all over the world.

Boo ****ing hoo, you don't live all over the world, you live in the most privileged, richest nation on earth which is dominated by Christians. If you give a **** about Christians elsewhere, go help them instead of sitting in your comfortable life whining.

It will probably happen because like any good secularist, you'll try to cram Oberfell down our throats, and force us to pay for contraception which is why Obama went to court with the Nuns.

Personally I think it will be a breath of fresh air when we get Catholic schools that are independent. You'll probably try to strip accreditation from every school that does reject your 'handouts', though.

I would totally strip accreditation from all your brainwashing schools, but then again I think it should be illegal to indoctrinate children into religions. If your belief system is so great, let them convert after they become adults and can make rational choices. But you'd never agree to that of course, because unless you get them when they're kids, the chances are you'll never get them.

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Yeah, if you wait till they're adults you end up with a whole lot of people like Ben.

[Giancarlo]

Homeschooling is not better than public schooling. It is far worse. You can see why homeschooled kids struggle in college and in life.

And why should the state help religious schools? Ben has a ****ed up view of everything. Why should I subsize religious schools with my tax money

And who is craming Oberfell down anyone's throats? Ben never ceases to amaze with his endless amount of bull****.

[kentonio]

Everyone is allowed to go. I'm not shocked to see you'd rather take everything away from the Church, including their property. It's been done before by Henry VIII and the Church was never compensated.

Are you going to return Canterbury to us and repay us for it being taken? The state has enriched itself considerably from the Catholic church.

The wealth of a nation stolen from the people and used to build giant cathedrals while the people starved and slaved under oppressive regimes. I'd take all your blood money off you.

1 million a week is 50+ million a year and that's just the Anglican Church. Catholics actually have higher attendance plus you have the Methodists, etc. If your argument is that we should be funding museums because they provide a public benefit, then the Church insofar as it provides a public benefit should also be funded. You've actually quite undermined your own argument here, Kentonio.

There are very few Methodists, and not enough Catholics for anyone to give a **** about. Religion is practically dead in the UK, and good riddance to it. You just repeating that it provides a public benefit without actually explaining what that benefit is, is boring incidentally.

Also, what exactly is it you supposedly need money for? You could print as many bibles as you want for next to nothing, and since when did praying require a giant stone edifice? Does god listen harder if you're in one of your palaces built on the back of slave labour?

Because you confiscated them from us?

Good, thieves deserve to have their proceeds of crime taken away.

Uh, yeah. Plenty of people have and will be helped by the Church and the volunteer organizations that we run.

Oh yeah, those preecious services that you give so freely. Unless for instance your adoption services are told they have to let gay parents raise those children who are so desperate for a loving home, then you'll threaten to just close your doors and abandon all those kids. ****ing hypocritical bastards, Jesus would hate you.

[Proteus_MST]

Uh, you are aware that the agreement with the Vatican was due compensation for the state of Italy taking property away from the Church?

Thanks for bringing that up Ben
Because that leads to the additional point how much wealth and lands a clerical organization can amass (partially with business practices thsat nowadays would be called dubios (like letters of indulgences)) before it loses its non profit organization status

[Dauphin]

I would totally strip accreditation from all your brainwashing schools, but then again I think it should be illegal to indoctrinate children into religions. If your belief system is so great, let them convert after they become adults and can make rational choices. But you'd never agree to that of course, because unless you get them when they're kids, the chances are you'll never get them.

When I was growing up, our monsignor was pretty old and was just dialling it in. Mass would last for about 20 minutes on some days, it was nothing more than reading the mass sheet and a five minute sermon that you could miss if you fell asleep. When I went to university, I lapsed as I was never particular devout. After university, I went to mass at my old church - with a new priest. He was firebrand and condemning teh gays in the sermon. I had wondered why the congregation had dropped so much in the intervening four years. I've never been back since.

No real purpose to that story. My original thought behind the anecdote is lost.

[Ming]

You called it adultery. Which I'm a bit puzzled by. By your definition if Pekka had remarried, the Catholic church would consider it adultery because we don't do remarriage.

I'm all puzzled how you have no problems with some sins by non Catholics, but do have problems with others. You want to keep non Catholic gays from getting married but you don't seem to have a problem with others. A sin is a sin, Right?

[Ben Kenobi]

I'm all puzzled how you have no problems with some sins by non Catholics, but do have problems with others. You want to keep non Catholic gays from getting married but you don't seem to have a problem with others. A sin is a sin, Right?

You were arguing it was adultery which it really isn't. Not all marriages are Catholic marriage and the church draws a distinction between the two.

[Giancarlo]

I'm all puzzled how you have no problems with some sins by non Catholics, but do have problems with others. You want to keep non Catholic gays from getting married but you don't seem to have a problem with others. A sin is a sin, Right?

We gays are abominations in his eyes. I just can't imagine what he thinks of trans people. Ben is a hateful judgmental man who acts as if he is a god. He rather is a horrible little man.

Just like that antigay bigot who said natural disasters will strike on the homes of gays... But had his own home destroyed in a flood recently. Stupid can't take a hint.

[Proteus_MST]

You were arguing it was adultery which it really isn't. Not all marriages are Catholic marriage and the church draws a distinction between the two.

Exactly ... not all marriages are catholic ... civil marriages also are not catholic ... which is why they allow couples to be married which wouldn't be able to be married in a catholic church ... divorced couples ... non catholic couples ... homosexual couples
Sounds to me like a clear distinction

[Proteus_MST]

We gays are abominations in his eyes. I just can't imagine what he thinks of trans people. Ben is a hateful judgmental man who acts as if he is a god. He rather is a horrible little man.
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That`s actually an interesting question ...
I assume that he thinks that people stay with their birth gender despite any gender reassignment surgeries

However, that brings up the interesting question if Ben is O.K. with the marriage of a Trans woman (i.e. a man who was operated into a woman) with a natural born woman.

Normally one would assume that Ben should be O.K. with such a marriage, after all for Ben it would be a man who marries a woman

[Giancarlo]

That`s actually an interesting question ...
I assume that he thinks that people stay with their birth gender despite any gender reassignment surgeries

However, that brings up the interesting question if Ben is O.K. with the marriage of a Trans woman (i.e. a man who was operated into a woman) with a natural born woman.

Normally one would assume that Ben should be O.K. with such a marriage, after all for Ben it would be a man who marries a woman

How about a gender fluid person like me lmao?

Enough to throw Ben off for the next decade.

But I doubt Ben recognizes trans people at all. A trans woman in his eyes is a man. He is transphobic.

[Ben Kenobi]

Exactly ... not all marriages are catholic ... civil marriages also are not catholic ... which is why they allow couples to be married which wouldn't be able to be married in a catholic church ... divorced couples ... non catholic couples ... homosexual couples
Sounds to me like a clear distinction

You're arguing a moral equivalence between two things that are not. A marriage between two protestants, a man and a woman is recognized in the Catholic church. A marriage between homosexuals is not.

You're right on a point though - the churches that insist that there is no distinction between the two, will likely find themselves out on the cold. I can see the Catholic teachings on communion eventually seeping into the Catholic church teachings on marriage too, meaning that the only marriages that would be recognized in the Catholic church would be Catholic marriages.

In that sense, protestant marriages period, would not be recognized. But, at present thanks to Lumen Gentium, they are.

However, that brings up the interesting question if Ben is O.K. with the marriage of a Trans woman (i.e. a man who was operated into a woman) with a natural born woman

Why would I be ok with bodily mutilation? The Church is pretty clear that the body is important because the body as it is is a gift from God. So no, it wouldn't get a pass.

[Ben Kenobi]

How about a gender fluid person like me lmao?

You'd be a man. This isn't a difficult question according to the Catholic church. I'm not sure why you think it would be difficult.

Ben recognizes trans people at all. A trans woman in his eyes is a man. He is transphobic

You'd be wrong there. There's been extensive documentation showing that sex-change operations do tremendous damage to the patient's mental health, and that there's something like a 12x chance of suicide after getting one.

So yes, I do recognize them because they have serious problems.

[Ben Kenobi]

I know the difference and I also know that if you pay enough that they will say there never was a marriage in the first place.

Uh. All annulments work that way.

If you think this isn't routinely abused, you're an even bigger idiot than I thought.

What are you, Baptist? I would expect this argument from them.

I would bring up a few of my friends that paid for that definition but using personal experiences to prove generalities is your gig.

So your argument is because it is abused that makes it wrong to do them? That you acknowledge that simony is an abuse of Church sacraments indicates that you understand what it should be like, which is an argument in favor of it's use.