Pope: Catholics should ask gay people for forgiveness

[Giancarlo]

You'd be a man. This isn't a difficult question according to the Catholic church. I'm not sure why you think it would be difficult.



You'd be wrong there. There's been extensive documentation showing that sex-change operations do tremendous damage to the patient's mental health, and that there's something like a 12x chance of suicide after getting one.

So yes, I do recognize them because they have serious problems.

I mean you don't recognize them.

People are at increased risk of suicide because of bigots like you insulting and attacking them. People like you are a good reason why so many people suffer. People who need support.

And not all trans people do sex change operations. Some just use hormones.

You seem to be the one with problems with your mental health.

There are many trans people who are well adjusted and have careers, but still face tremendous disrespect and discrimination... Because of bigots like yourself.

The only one with serious problems here is you!

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No, I was making the point that the church is sometimes more concerned with the money than the actual definition. Kind of like indulgences.
It's been awhile, are tattoos a sin these days?

[Ben Kenobi]

You are, provably so. Also your death cult continues to show its prejudice routinely, so don't come crying to me about how hard you get it, when Rome is responsible for so much evil.

Wow. Prejudiced much. Are you arguing that England has no history of anti-Catholicism?

SATs don't mean **** if you have retarded social skills.

LOL, it means that they are getting a better education than their peers in public schools, by an objective measure.

Boo ****ing hoo, you don't live all over the world, you live in the most privileged, richest nation on earth which is dominated by Christians. If you give a **** about Christians elsewhere, go help them instead of sitting in your comfortable life whining.

I wonder if 1 has anything to do with 2, eh?

I would totally strip accreditation from all your brainwashing schools

So lets recap. Kentonio rails against public funding for Catholic schools. Then turns around and says that he would strip accreditation from independent Catholic schools, crushing his own argument that it's about the government funding and not the Catholicism.

I think it should be illegal to indoctrinate children into religions.

No, you think it should be illegal to indoctrinate children into a competing religion. You're the zealot here.

If your belief system is so great, let them convert after they become adults and can make rational choices.

I'm a product of that system, secular education Catholic convert. You have no power here!

But you'd never agree to that of course, because unless you get them when they're kids, the chances are you'll never get them.

Actually I believe in freedom of families and parents to choose for their children. I also believe that the primary obligation from education comes from parents, not the state.

[Giancarlo]

Ben is a sadistic little troll. End of story. Sometimes religious parents don't know any better and what they do to their kids is tantamount to child abuse.

[Ben Kenobi]

I mean you don't recognize them.

People are at increased risk of suicide because of bigots like you insulting and attacking them. People like you are a good reason why so many people suffer. People who need support.

John Hopkins has seen that after surgery prognoses worsened not improved, and so they ceased doing sex-changes arguing that it served no therapeutic benefit.

You seem to be the one with problems with your mental health.

How does that address the 12x elevated suicide risk endured by post operative transsexuals?

[Ben Kenobi]

Sometimes religious parents don't know any better and what they do to their kids is tantamount to child abuse.

You'd support jailing Christian parents who took their children to church?

[Giancarlo]

John Hopkins has seen that after surgery prognoses worsened not improved, and so they ceased doing sex-changes arguing that it served no therapeutic benefit.

Oh wow. A nutcase religious bigot concludes that? You don't know anything about trans people.

How does that address the 12x elevated suicide risk endured by post operative transsexuals?

People like you are spreading bigotry and shame towards them.

And as I said many don't do the operation. Many just use hormones (at a safe dosage).

[Giancarlo]

You'd support jailing Christian parents who took their children to church?

No. But if they forced their kids into indoctrination camps and mentally abused them... Perhaps social services should be called up.

[Ben Kenobi]

A nutcase religious bigot concludes that?

A 2011 study at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden produced the most illuminating results yet regarding the transgendered, evidence that should give advocates pause. The long-term study—up to 30 years—followed 324 people who had sex-reassignment surgery. The study revealed that beginning about 10 years after having the surgery, the transgendered began to experience increasing mental difficulties. Most shockingly, their suicide mortality rose almost 20-fold above the comparable nontransgender population. This disturbing result has as yet no explanation but probably reflects the growing sense of isolation reported by the aging transgendered after surgery. The high suicide rate certainly challenges the surgery prescription.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120

[Ben Kenobi]

But if they forced their kids into indoctrination camps and mentally abused them

What exactly would constitute, 'indoctrination camps'?

[Giancarlo]

http://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mch...ion-1402615120

WSJ - conservative windbag website. That study seems to be inadequate anyways. Piss poor sample.

And I already said many don't get surgery. They only use hormones.

[Giancarlo]

What exactly would constitute, 'indoctrination camps'?

Religious camps. Religious schools. Two examples.

[Giancarlo]

Bigot will always be a bigot.

The reason why the suicide rate is higher is because of society not accepting them. People like Ben spouting ****.

[Ben Kenobi]

That study seems to be inadequate anyways

I'll take a 30 year longitudinal study of 324 people over your opinion, thanks.

because of society not accepting them

Wouldn't Sweden be an incredibly tolerant society?

Religious schools

Wow. You'd arrest all parents who send their child to Catholic school. Have fun storming the Castle!

[Giancarlo]

I'll take a 30 year longitudinal study of 324 people over your opinion, thanks.



Wow. You'd arrest all parents who send their child to Catholic school. Have fun storming the Castle!

It is an agenda peddling bull**** study from the clown who doesn't understand studies to begin with.

And you keep dodging my point about hormones.

Not arrest them, but relocate their kids to actual centers of learning through legal order.