"Kansas has found the ultimate way to punish the poor"

[Berzerker]

Actually, quite the opposite in countries like the Netherlands, France, England, Scotland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and Germany. All countries which confiscated money, land and property from the Church.

money land and property the church accumulated from centuries of theft and subsidies

[Sava]

That's what was in that latest immigration bill. You have a kiddo, you get funded illegal or no. TANF, Food stamps, you name it you got it.

Yes. Feeding children.

The horror.

You are a monster.

[C0ckney]

As for private charity, I've been the beneficiary of it before

yes it was certainly charitable of the school to offer someone who knows nothing about history a job as a history teacher. it just a shame that it had to come at the cost of some children's education.

I have no right to rob those richer than I am to fund my desire to help others. If I want to help them the answer is simple, get off my ass and help them.

help others? you mean by having poor people receive less than before, with the difference going to banks. you know, what you've defended in this thread.

[Aeson]

Anyone can give to private charity anytime they want. Demonstrably it has never been enough.

[giblets]

Seen it, heard it plenty of times. You might see it that way, but when you've got a card that reloads itself every month without effort, it can be a real shock when folks have to get acquainted with the real value of the money. 20 dollars may seem not a lot, but a 20 a day adds up. That's what folks don't get and don't understand. You can get a long way with just 20 dollars if you manage it right. It's not an easy living, but hell it's not the end of the world. My nominal budget even now runs on that. And I've never had a problem budget wise in years because of it.

You're not a parent, and you never will be. TANF isn't for you. Whether you can get by on 20 dollars a day (which is not what people typically get from TANF if you had actually read the OP. The OP said $400 a month. Please don't respond to my threads in the future if you won't even read the OP) is irrelevant because you don't have to care for children.

[rah]

Do you have a point? Why should we care about your poor excuse for a life, even if at this point we could take anything you say at face value? Why do you keep insisting on the 20 bucks per day? it only makes you seem stupid.

I'm surprised ben didn't accuse you of saying you believe he made up the story that his grandmother his dead.

[Ben Kenobi]

You're not a parent, and you never will be. TANF isn't for you. Whether you can get by on 20 dollars a day (which is not what people typically get from TANF if you had actually read the OP. The OP said $400 a month. Please don't respond to my threads in the future if you won't even read the OP) is irrelevant because you don't have to care for children.

Well, ok, how does that differ from my point that 20/day is a substantial benefit? We're just quibbling over price, not principle.

[Ben Kenobi]

Anyone can give to private charity anytime they want. Demonstrably it has never been enough.

And government benefits are? Why do we still have poor people?

[Ben Kenobi]

I'm surprised ben didn't accuse you of saying you believe he made up the story that his grandmother his dead.

Ok, let's get this on the record. Are you accusing me of lying about my grandmother?

[Ben Kenobi]

yes it was certainly charitable of the school to offer someone who knows nothing about history a job as a history teacher. it just a shame that it had to come at the cost of some children's education.

You mad bro? They pay me and I'm sure that pisses you off more than anything else.

help others? you mean by having poor people receive less than before, with the difference going to banks. you know, what you've defended in this thread.

I mean just what I said, I don't rob other people and force them to pay for stuff I want. If I want to help someone, (and btw, the poor are people, not a collective), I help them. I think Jesus had a thing or two to say about that.

[Ben Kenobi]

money land and property the church accumulated from centuries of theft and subsidies

Why don't you try to take it from us, Berz?

BTW, I heard Marx is hiring. You might want to apply for his position.

[Ben Kenobi]

Yes. Feeding children.

The horror.

You are a monster

Yes, because I think that American benefits should go to Americans. That obviously makes me a horrible racist.

[giblets]

Well, ok, how does that differ from my point that 20/day is a substantial benefit? We're just quibbling over price, not principle.

The whole point in TANF is to improve the welfare of impoverished families and you think they shouldn't complain if they're forced to give up a significant portion of the money in ATM fees...?

[Ben Kenobi]

The whole point in TANF is to improve the welfare of impoverished AMERICAN families and you think they shouldn't complain if they're forced to give up a significant portion of the money in ATM fees...?

I fixed that for you. And if 5 dollars a day is significant, why is 20 a day insignificant? Would go a long way to cutting out the massive fraud.

[giblets]

I fixed that for you. And if 5 dollars a day is significant, why is 20 a day insignificant? Would go a long way to cutting out the massive fraud.

1. TANF doesn't have massive fraud.
2. TANF recipients don't typically receive "20 a day".