"Kansas has found the ultimate way to punish the poor"

[Kidlicious]

Ben trolling for sympathy?

"Looking foe love in all the wrong places."

[Berzerker]

Why don't you try to take it from us, Berz?

BTW, I heard Marx is hiring. You might want to apply for his position.

Your church has stolen a fortune from people and pays you blood money and your "defense" is some of the stolen property was taken by governments?

[Ben Kenobi]

No, they combined with charity are not enough either, but better than just relying on charity alone. Your argument to further decrease benefits is absurd.

That charity is insufficient isn't an argument then to say that charity doesn't work.

[Ben Kenobi]

military, border control, cops

Are all constitutionally enumerated obligations of the federal government and state/local governments in the case of police.

And I'm odd, I believe the US should stand with her alliance with Israel.

wars

You've got me confused with someone else if you think I approve of Obama's war against Libya.

drug prohibition

Yes I believe that some substances should be banned.

you do want taxes spent on stuff just like everyone else

Sure, but on constitutionally enumerated obligations.

[Ben Kenobi]

Post where I said something nasty about your grandmother.

Why is the king of, "family should be off limits on Apolyton", even commenting on my grandmother?

[Kidlicious]

Your grandmother was a horrible person for teaching you everything you know. There.

[Ben Kenobi]

Your grandmother was a horrible person for teaching you everything you know. There.

My Nana was a super sweet lady. I miss her. She was a real treasure. Taught me lots of stuff.

[giblets]

Why is the king of, "family should be off limits on Apolyton", even commenting on my grandmother?

He didn't. That's his point. He never commented on your grandmother.

[Kidlicious]

My Nana was a super sweet lady. I miss her. She was a real treasure. Taught me lots of stuff.

Stop trying to get sympathy. That won't be tolerated

[Aeson]

That charity is insufficient isn't an argument then to say that charity doesn't work.

It's an argument to say you can't simply rely on charity to fix the world's poverty problems.

[giblets]

No Aeson, you can't do two things at once. You can't diversify. You have to put all of your eggs in one basket. /sarcasm

[Ben Kenobi]

you can't simply rely on charity to fix the world's poverty problems.

The argument that Charity works says that charity is insufficient ergo charity doesn't work, also applies to government benefits which are also insufficient. Ergo, government benefits do not work either.

The problem with the benefits is that it has to come from other people, and the folks required to run the programs. You can't pull up when you have to pull others down to get there. They are a zero sum game.

[giblets]

A zero sum game in a world with finite resources...? No way

[Berzerker]

Are all constitutionally enumerated obligations of the federal government and state/local governments in the case of police.

And I'm odd, I believe the US should stand with her alliance with Israel.

You've got me confused with someone else if you think I approve of Obama's war against Libya.

Yes I believe that some substances should be banned.

Sure, but on constitutionally enumerated obligations.

The drug war is not a constitutionally enumerated obligation, they had to amend the Constitution to allow for a war on booze... I dont care why you want to spend taxes on stuff, the fact is you do so stop complaining about other people - they didn't sign the Constitution and are not morally obliged to live by it nor does it morally entitle you to spend other peoples money. As for foreign aid, we're paying Israel to build houses, eg, so its illogical to complain about a welfare state here while supporting it in other countries.

[Ben Kenobi]

The drug war is not a constitutionally enumerated obligation

Right, because the Cartels are all peaceful. We've got them just over on the other side. Do I want them here? No. Do I see it as part of the obligation of the government to protect their citizens from the Cartels? Yes. Does Abbott agree with me? Also yes.

I dont care why you want to spend taxes on stuff

You should care about fulfilling constitutional obligations.

As for foreign aid, we're paying Israel to build houses, eg, so its illogical to complain about a welfare state here while supporting it in other countries.

Israel is an ally. I don't see what's wrong about helping an ally. Canada is an ally too and you'd better believe that I support us strapping our big boots on and helping the Americans.