"Kansas has found the ultimate way to punish the poor"

[Ben Kenobi]

Um, you do realise that the church is a single institution, right? Demanding compensation from the church for crimes committed by the church is not really collective punishment.

And there you go folks, collective punishment is a-ok.

Thanks for undermining your own position, Nestor.

[N35t0r]

And there you go folks, collective punishment is a-ok.

Thanks for undermining your own position, Nestor.

No, sorry. Is suing a company that did you wrong collective punishment too?

If the church stole land, it's perfectly fine to confiscate the church's land (not churchgoers' lands - confiscating that would be collective punishment).

You can tell the difference, right?

[Ben Kenobi]

No, sorry. Is suing a company that did you wrong collective punishment too?

So the argument is that I should seek compensation from the official dope legalization organizations?

If the church stole land, it's perfectly fine to confiscate the church's land (not churchgoers' lands - confiscating that would be collective punishment).

But what if the parishioners paid for the land too?

You can tell the difference, right?

Well sure. Given the dissolution of the monasteries, I should expect the Church to be compensated with the return of the land they had stolen from them.

Historically it's actually quite the opposite. Most of the modern, 'nation states', formed themselves through the confiscation of church property and the subsequent sales of the land to their supporters.

[N35t0r]

So the argument is that I should seek compensation from the official dope legalization organizations?

No, dumbass, from the same guy who stole from you. It's not that hard!

[Ben Kenobi]

No, dumbass, from the same guy who stole from you. It's not that hard!

But you're ok with suing corporations, except for liberal ones? Curious then.

[N35t0r]

But you're ok with suing corporations, except for liberal ones? Curious then.

Where the **** did i say 'except for liberal ones'?
Also, duh, a corporation is an entity. You can sue the corporation (if the corporation steals from you). And the corporation is of course liable up to what it itself possesses, you can't sue a corpoation and get a random employee's car if you win.

Your total lack of ability to reason is what is curious.

[N35t0r]

before you make some other non-sequitur: if a corporation steals from you, you have to sue the corporation. If a guy employed by a corporation, acting on his own behalf, steals from you, then you have to sue that guy, not the corporation. It's not very complicated...

[Berzerker]

So you're suggesting I should have a beef with alcoholics when alcoholics do terrible things to me, but not dopeheads when they rob me? Curious logic there. Thank you for agreeing with me though, that when someone mistreats me that I should have a beef with users in general.

do you want alcohol banned and drinkers jailed because alcoholics attacked you?

[Berzerker]

Thanks for finally acknowledging that crime victims should be compensated by dopeheads for our losses.

So you think we should pay you to keep booze legal?

When you're challenging laws against theft, yes.

I'm not challenging laws against theft

No, because there's no analogy between slavery and smoking dope.

You just did.

Because you're making the analogy between dopeheads and slaves. Racist much?

No, you said laws must be followed so I asked if you would turn in your neighbors for helping runaway slaves or if you would have turned in Christians to the Roman authorities. You wont answer... And slavery is not a race.

I think it's fair to be wary of them.

Angry, not wary...

I wouldn't be opposed to that, the Irish had a ****ty deal from those who did and could have done better.

Then you owe me, you should be in jail

[Ben Kenobi]

Where the **** did i say 'except for liberal ones'?

When you balked at the organizations pushing dope legalization paying. Why are they different? Glad we've moved on from, 'collective punishment is bad', to 'collective punishment against liberals is bad'.

Also, duh, a corporation is an entity.

Does the dope coalition claim to represent all dopeheads?

[Ben Kenobi]

So you think we should pay you to keep booze legal?

You're the one seeking legalization. That means compensating the crime victims associated with dope first then discussing legalization.

I'm not challenging laws against theft

So why shouldn't I be seeking compensation before the dope amnesty? Makes perfect sense to me. You're pulling them out of jail for their criminal activity. That comes as a price.

No, you said laws must be followed so I asked if you would turn in your neighbors for helping runaway slaves or if you would have turned in Christians to the Roman authorities.

Why are you comparing slavery to dope? You keep insisting you aren't and then you keep making the argument comparing the two. IF they aren't similar than this is a false analogy.

Then you owe me, you should be in jail

Ok, pay up to me first.

[Berzerker]

You're the one seeking legalization. That means compensating the crime victims associated with dope first then discussing legalization.

Should we pay you to keep booze legal because alcoholics hurt you?

So why shouldn't I be seeking compensation before the dope amnesty? Makes perfect sense to me. You're pulling them out of jail for their criminal activity. That comes as a price.

You shouldn't be seeking compensation from people who didn't steal from you

Why are you comparing slavery to dope? You keep insisting you aren't and then you keep making the argument comparing the two. IF they aren't similar than this is a false analogy.

You said laws must be followed, would you have enforced slavery laws? Would you have helped Roman authorities punish Christians? That aint got nothing to do with dope, just your ridiculous assertion that laws you support dont need justification.

Ok, pay up to me first.

Your family's crimes against my ancestors predates your gripe with a Canadian neighbor, but you aint gonna pay up. You dont believe in compensating your victims. Being oblivious to your own hypocrisy wont make you a better Christian. It just makes you look...oblivious. Or worse...

[N35t0r]

When you balked at the organizations pushing dope legalization paying. Why are they different? Glad we've moved on from, 'collective punishment is bad', to 'collective punishment against liberals is bad'.

1) Please, do go ahead and quote where I said that.

2) I also wouldn't support organizations that want to ban abortion from having to pay compensation to victims of abortion clinic bombings.

If you can't wrap your head around what 'collective punishment' means, then please at least don't lie.

Does the dope coalition claim to represent all dopeheads?

1) I don't know
2) I don't care, since it's not relevant.

If the dope coalition hires people to go and steal, then the dope coalition (as an entity) is responsible. If a member of the coalition steals, on his own time, then that particular member is responsible. Again, it's not a difficult concept.

[Ben Kenobi]

If you can't wrap your head around what 'collective punishment' means, then please at least don't lie.

Drop the whole collective punishment against the Church and I'll agree you don't really believe in collective punishment of your enemies.

1) I don't know
2) I don't care, since it's not relevant.

Quite relevant because they are working to benefit all dopeheads which would render their obligation to recompense their victims. I'm sure they'll claim otherwise, but compensation has to come from somewhere. And pickpocketing government to hand us back our money isn't going to work.

Dope users at some point have to pay up for what was stolen. That's really the only fair outcome here.

[Ben Kenobi]

Should we pay you to keep booze legal because alcoholics hurt you?

Nobody's arguing they should get bailed out of jail.

You shouldn't be seeking compensation from people who didn't steal from you

I'll seek it from the organization trying to grant them amnesty. They are paying the price, in jail. If you are letting them out then I should be recompensated for my losses.

You said laws must be followed, would you have enforced slavery laws?

So slavery is just like smoking dope then. Either drop the analogy or admit that they are the same. Most progressives tie whatever progressive clause they are arguing for today to slavery.

Your family's crimes against my ancestors predates your gripe with a Canadian neighbor, but you aint gonna pay up.

Why should I pay up to someone who's unwilling to pay me?