"Kansas has found the ultimate way to punish the poor"

[Ben Kenobi]

Ben the "rational" racist. How can you call yourself a Christian? You have no problem telling me that I can't be a Christian while you act the worst one ever.

Better question, do I believe that Christianity is a reasonable religion? You seem to believe that unless something serves reason it cannot be true. I believe the opposite, that reason has limitations and in many ways Christianity supercedes reason.

But it is funny to see you trying to back away from your statement by saying it's a rational feeling 'that you've never had'. Hilarious.

Who's backing away? I said the exact same thing when I posted it in the thread.

[Ben Kenobi]

Laws should be justified before they are followed.

Given that you've argued that the Catholic church is a thief, presumably that means that theft is wrong. Dopeheads have stolen from me an my family, ergo it stands to reason that we ought to be compensated for our losses. Which range into the thousands of dollars.

Would you turn in your neighbors for helping runaway slaves under the Fugitive Slave Act? Would you inform the Roman authorities about Christians?

Are you suggesting that the current laws wrt to dope are akin to slavery?

You were asked if sava should be jailed for drugs because a dopehead stole from you, your answer was yes. All you did was cite the law as if it justifies itself.

My answer, then as now, is that Sava should be arrested for distribution and cultivation of a controlled substance.

I didn't say that

Then why entertain an invalid comparison? I'll cite 'false analogy' and we can wrap that up.

Why not? I've made the exact same argument for white people, but you wont answer. Should people hate you because a white person stole from them?

If I go around hurting people, then yes, I believe that anger towards white people in general would be justified. Said that before and now. People draw their beliefs from their experiences. I believe I have an obligation to do my best not to hurt other people. I've known a lot of hurting people over the years, people who have had terrible times in their life. It makes me sad, and what can I say to them? That their pain is not real?

Their pain is real and labeling them 'racists' does nothing to address the core of the problem.

Is it rational to be angry at black people because you were mugged? You seem to think so, you feel the same way about dopeheads.

Given that dopeheads have stolen from me and my family consistently, yes I have little tolerance of them. Especially after ones I have trusted have consistently taken advantage of that trust. Here's a clue - dopeheads have a terrible, terrible reputation that has been reinforced by bad behavior. There are tons of people who are reluctant to speak out because they know they'll be attacked by every user in the business. I like speaking up for the silent majority that's getting angry that their problems nobody cares about.

Yes you did, but you want dope users tossed in jail for somebody else's theft. So why aren't you angry at white people, or Canadians...?

I am angry at dopeheads because I know tons of Canadians and the only ones to consistently steal from me were dopeheads.

I'm defending drug users, not thieves. Defending thieves is what you do, hell, you even joined them.

Then why aren't you acknowledging that theft by dopeheads hurts your cause?

Of course, if someone steals from you justice requires the property be returned.

Well, then I see no issues with insisting that those seeking legalization and amnesty to repay me the thousands of dollars plus interest that we are out. You want my support? Support making the victims whole as an acknowledgement that you did do wrong and must make up for the damage done.

[kentonio]

ITT: Ben confirms he's a massive racist.

[I AM MOBIUS]

This is awesome teamwork, guys!

Every post Ben makes on this site is less time he can spend grooming underage boys for sex and looking at kiddie porn...

Not to mention getting him to admit that he's an outright racist because he's been mugged a bunch of times!

This is why this guy is comedy gold, people! And that thread where him and Kid were at each other over several pages - comedy gold!

How can you not possibly be entertained by this total idiot!?

[I AM MOBIUS]

Hey Ben, what kind of moron gets themselves mugged five times, or however many times you're claiming!?

I guess you didn't hear them coming...

And no, I don't hate all deaf people just because I don't like you...

[Ming]

Hey Ben, what kind of moron gets themselves mugged five times, or however many times you're claiming!?

Don't worry, next week it will be up to 10 times he's been mugged by dope heads... He'll say whatever it takes to try to justify his stupid comments.

And I love how he's trying to claim that he meant or said something else back then when he made his original racist comment "If black people robbed you, I'd not consider it prejudice for you to be angry at black people in general". He just keeps digging a bigger hole... What a racist. What a terrible christian.

[rah]

Yeah, I used to respect deaf people but now that I've had to read ben's posts for years, I don't consider it prejudice for me to be angry at deaf people in general.

Yep it sounds dumb/racist no matter what you substitute in.

[I AM MOBIUS]

Ben lives in Texas = I hate all Texans!

Oh wait...

[giblets]

Maybe his stuff went missing and he just assumed a "dopehead" took it.

[I AM MOBIUS]

Maybe he is the dopehead? I can feel the self-loathing emanating all the way from Texas...

[Berzerker]

Given that you've argued that the Catholic church is a thief, presumably that means that theft is wrong. Dopeheads have stolen from me an my family, ergo it stands to reason that we ought to be compensated for our losses. Which range into the thousands of dollars.

Yes Ben, stealing is wrong. It doesn't matter if your Church or a dopehead is the thief. Are you compensating the people ripped off by the Church? No, why not? If other "dopeheads" are responsible for paying you back then you are responsible for the massive thefts committed by your Church.

Are you suggesting that the current laws wrt to dope are akin to slavery?

No, I'm suggesting "the law" doesn't justify itself. If you would have ignored laws to enforce slavery and Roman rule then its illogical to tell us laws must be followed. You're worse than the pharisees who challenged Jesus on adultery laws, they dropped their rocks and walked away in shame when their hypocrisy was exposed, you would have been the first and only one to throw rocks. Hell, you would have been aiming at Jesus too...

My answer, then as now, is that Sava should be arrested for distribution and cultivation of a controlled substance.

Why? Because a "dopehead" stole from you and Sava didn't pony up to make you whole.

Then why entertain an invalid comparison? I'll cite 'false analogy' and we can wrap that up.

The comparison is not black people = dopeheads, I'm comparing the collective guilt and blame both receive from people like you. Black people and dopeheads are mistreated based on what individual blacks and dopeheads did to others (or you). But you dont want that standard applied to you...

If I go around hurting people, then yes, I believe that anger towards white people in general would be justified. Said that before and now.

Was that your reaction when a white person stole from you? He was Canadian, did you hate Canadians too?

Then why aren't you acknowledging that theft by dopeheads hurts your cause?

Based on that logic we're all guilty of theft, including you. It was a white person who stole from you, therefore white people should be jailed. Same for black people, same for Catholics, same for everyone. But you reserve that especially immoral argument only for "dopeheads". You have English ancestry, why aren't you paying back the people hurt by the English?

Well, then I see no issues with insisting that those seeking legalization and amnesty to repay me the thousands of dollars plus interest that we are out. You want my support? Support making the victims whole as an acknowledgement that you did do wrong and must make up for the damage done.

Drugs were illegal when you were ripped off, the people who stole from you were merely seeking reparations... You do support reparations, right? Your victims shouldn't have to risk their lives getting back what you owed them, but you refused to repay them for the harm you caused.

[rah]

Hmm ben is really pushing the eye for an eye and other such reparations.
I guess he would have no problem with blacks killing cops then. Only fair.

[Ben Kenobi]

Hey Ben, what kind of moron gets themselves mugged five times, or however many times you're claiming!?

I'm guessing your reading comprehension is not strong? I said I've been robbed 5 times.

I've been assaulted, hmm. Once, while I was out walking, dude who was drunk jumped out of his car and sucker punched me. Once when I was home and a drunk roommate kicked my door in and tried to kill me. Once when a drunk landlord headbutted me. Once when I was a kid and someone pulled a bel-air on me.

So four times in my life someone's assaulted me. Haven't been seriously injured other than a few cuts. 3 Alcoholics though...

Maybe he is the dopehead? I can feel the self-loathing emanating all the way from Texas..

Nah. Never smoked tobacco or dope.

Maybe his stuff went missing and he just assumed a "dopehead" took it.

Dealer was a brother of a friend and the snowblower which was stolen was in their yard. Didn't take a Sherlock to figure out he was behind the thefts in the neighbourhood. Had a phone stolen by a dopehead and probably the most random one, my spare car battery and my other phone by a different dopehead. Had my windows busted up and tools stolen. Then my motel room got trashed.

So yeah, I've had a lot of property damage from dopeheads over the years. The motel was the worst, only theft in which stuff was taken that I couldn't replace - I lost some of my work, and a laptop and my backups.

[Ben Kenobi]

And I love how he's trying to claim that he meant or said something else back then when he made his original racist comment "If black people robbed you, I'd not consider it prejudice for you to be angry at black people in general". He just keeps digging a bigger hole... What a racist. What a terrible christian.

Someone who's better at reading between the lines would be able to figure everything out. But I don't expect that of folks.

[Ben Kenobi]

Yes Ben, stealing is wrong. It doesn't matter if your Church or a dopehead is the thief.

Then you should support compensation for people who've been victims of dopeheads.

Are you compensating the people ripped off by the Church?

When has the Church stolen from anyone? I dispute your claims.

No, why not? If other "dopeheads" are responsible for paying you back then you are responsible for the massive thefts committed by your Church.

So you're saying we shouldn't be compensated? Well then. I don't see why I should support amnesty for dopeheads who belong in jail if I'm not getting compensated for my losses. You want amnesty for your crimes, then there are consequences for this - you have to make the rest of us whole.

No, I'm suggesting "the law" doesn't justify itself.

You don't believe in lawful authority when it conflicts with your personal desires. That's the problem, Berz, and why I don't think illegal behavior should be rewarded.

And comparing slavery to dope users is a bit racist, no?

Why?

Because they are illegal. I think the law is just and should be followed.

The comparison is not black people = dopeheads

You brought up slavery. That's exactly the comparison you are making that the suffering of black people is akin to your suffering as dopeheads. And people call me racist? Wow.

Slavery was involuntary, smoking dope is a choice.

But you dont want that standard applied to you.

It's a fact of life. If I treat people badly that is going to change how other people think of folks like me.

Was that your reaction when a white person stole from you? He was Canadian, did you hate Canadians too?

He was a dopehead feeding his addiction. Made it crystal clear that it was never a 'victimless crime'.

Based on that logic we're all guilty of theft, including you. It was a white person who stole from you, therefore white people should be jailed. Same for black people, same for Catholics, same for everyone. But you reserve that especially immoral argument only for "dopeheads". You have English ancestry, why aren't you paying back the people hurt by the English?

I actually do feel responsible for the things that my family have done to the Irish, and to the English Catholics. They are all Church of England people, and settlers under Cromwell.

Drugs were illegal when you were ripped off

Which is why the victims should be compensated. Dopeheads have been ripping people off, we need to be made whole. As for the damage done, I believe that the buildings stolen from the Catholic church by the Church of England should be returned.