lap dancing teacher more qualified than ben to teach children

[Pax]

I'm not quite sure how events from 35 years further on down the line have **** from shinola to do with my argument concerning 1829 and the situation in Texas then.

I suggest you find and cite a reliable source if you want me to read your argument.

Ben caught with head in the sand.

[Pax]

http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/yps01

http://www.thealamo.org/history/the-1836-battle/slavery.html

http://www.texasslaveryproject.org/

http://www.tamu.edu/faculty/ccbn/dewitt/slaverybugbee.htm

https://www.tsl.texas.gov/treasures/earlystate/slavery-01.html

Ben Shut the **** up

[Ben Kenobi]

Didn't most of the immigrants ignore the prohibition against slavery?

Hi, rah. Yes, some of them did. Some converted and bought land from the Mexican government and actually kept to the agreement for no slaves. Austin and Burnet were the two largest empresarios, and they both supported slavery, but they weren't the only empresarios, nor was Texas in general supportive of slavery before Austin and Burnet.

It was a mixed bag. There was considerable opposition to slavery, both from the Mexicans who stayed in Texas (many of the owners who had been in Texas since before the Mexican revolution) like Erasmo Seguin, and the settlers who came in who converted. Zavala is one, and there were other empresarios. The problem was mostly Austin and Burnet, which is why Texas took the course that it did.

Texas didn't just spring out of nothing from Austin's 300.

This is also very different from the rest of America at the time.

Even some 30 years later there was enough opposition to joining the Confederacy that many stayed out, including Governor Houston.

[Kidlicious]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...ummets-lowest-

Educate yourself, Oerdin. You're wrong.

There's a problem with the security of that site. You're wrong as usual.

[Ben Kenobi]

It's also a commonly known fact that it took the American Civil War to abolish slavery in Texas and the rest of the south.

Name another Confederate state who's governor resigned rather than secede.

[Ben Kenobi]

There's a problem with the security of that site. You're wrong as usual.

Do you always dismiss sources you don't read? Again - you're wrong.

[Ben Kenobi]

Pax:

Source number 1:

Texas was the last frontier of slavery in the United States

Why was it a frontier? Because slavery had to be exported to it after 1830. One down.

Laws existed in Mexico that aimed at ending slavery by curtailing the buying of slaves and dictating that all slave children be emancipated at age 14. Many Mexicans viewed slavery incompatible with their nation’s announced policy of equality for all, regardless of race.

Two down!

the government of Mexico, which repeatedly attempted to outlaw slavery in Texas.

Three down!

H. G. Ward, the British agent in Mexico in 1825-27, believed that the number did not exceed six thousand in 1793, and that it continued to decrease till 1827. So many were manumitted, and so many received their freedom during the long struggle for independence by joining the ranks of the patriot army, that Ward thought he was justified in stating that there is now hardly a single slave in the central portion of the republic.

All were anxious to secure total abolition as soon as possible, but all were inclined to pay due regard to the rights which masters had acquired under existing laws.

4 down.

That Bugbee source is really interesting! I've added it to my class resources. Thanks Pax.

[Kidlicious]

Do you always dismiss sources you don't read? Again - you're wrong.

1) No security cert
2) I know what I'm talking about
3) It's you

[Ben Kenobi]

Read the source, get back to me.

Opens just fine for me.

[Ben Kenobi]

Interesting fact - Texas - slavery legal 1836-1865.

If you were born a slave in Texas, you were freed before you were 30.

The Civil Rights Act has been law longer than slavery ever was in TX.

[Pax]

I'm not quite sure how events from 35 years further on down the line have **** from shinola to do with my argument concerning 1829 and the situation in Texas then.

I suggest you find and cite a reliable source.



Then it's not useful to assist you in this argument. There are reliable sources.



You've consistently understood my argument as contrasting Texas from the United States at the time. So please dispense with this sophistry.



Does it hurt when people point out to you that it was the Southern Democrats who enforced, passed and maintained Jim Crow, long after the civilized world had moved on?

Last I checked, my textbook states that the Free Soil folks formed their own party and split the Whigs along the lines of slavery and that the republicans are the abolitionist party.

Why do you think they called themselves 'Free Soil', Pax?

Are you aware of the shift in party alignment in the 1960s?

[Pax]

Ben

[Pax]

Source 1


SLAVERY. Texas was the last frontier of slavery in the United States. In fewer than fifty years, from 1821 to 1865, the "Peculiar Institution," as Southerners called it, spread over the eastern two-fifths of the state. The rate of growth accelerated rapidly during the 1840s and 1850s. The rich soil of Texas held much of the future of slavery, and Texans knew it. James S. Mayfield undoubtedly spoke for many when he told the Constitutional Convention of 1845 that "the true policy and prosperity of this country depend upon the maintenance" of slavery. Slavery as an institution of significance in Texas began in Stephen F. Austin's colony. The original empresario commission given Moses Austin by Spanish authorities in 1821 did not mention slaves, but when Stephen Austin was recognized as heir to his father's contract later that year, it was agreed that settlers could receive eighty acres of land for each bondsman brought to Texas. Enough of Austin's original 300 families brought slaves with them that a census of his colony in 1825 showed 443 in a total population of 1,800.

Source 2
Slavery, although not the root cause of revolt, was undeniably linked to the Texas Revolution.

The issue caused discord between the colonists and Mexican officials. Laws existed in Mexico that aimed at ending slavery by curtailing the buying of slaves and dictating that all slave children be emancipated at age 14. Many Mexicans viewed slavery incompatible with their nation’s announced policy of equality for all, regardless of race. Others, however, saw the need to allow slaves in if the goals of immigration—economic prosperity and regional stability—were to be achieved.

In 1829, President Vicente Guerrero issued a decree abolishing African slavery, by then which existed only in a measurable degree in Texas. The colonists and their allies in the Legislature of Coahuila y Texas complained, securing an exemption for Texas. The Law of April 6, 1830, again closed Texas to slavery. However, in 1828 state lawmakers in Saltillo already gave the colonists a loophole than enable them to continue skirting prohibition on slavery. Based on Mexico’s own labour system of debt peonage, the state agreed to recognize labour contracts made in other countries, which allowed colonists to bring their human property under the guise of indentured servants. Thus, the South’s “peculiar institution” was transplanted to Texas. Records indicate that the number of slaves in Texas numbered 2,000 on the eve of the Texas Revolution.
Source 3
he Texas Slavery Project examines the spread of American slavery into the borderlands between the United States and Mexico in the decades between 1820 and 1850. American slaveholders began migrating to the Mexican province of Texas in the 1820s, where they established a society like those developing at the same time in Mississippi and Alabama. Tensions quickly rose between these Anglo settlers and the government of Mexico, which repeatedly attempted to outlaw slavery in Texas. Settlers in the region eventually rebelled from Mexico in 1836 and established the Republic of Texas. From 1836 to 1845, slaveholders from the American South poured into this new nation between the borders of the United States and Mexico.
Source 4
The petition of Moses Austin for permission to settle an Anglo-American colony in Texas was officially granted in January, 1821. No mention was made of slavery in either the petition or the grant. It was the intention of Austin, however, to draw most of his colonists from the southern United States; and there can be but little doubt that he would have favored the removal of slaves to Texas as part of the capital of his planters. But it was not for him to lead the migration for which he had prepared the way. The long journey to San Antonio de Bexar, with its hardships and exposure, resulted in his death, and the work of carrying forward the colonization of Texas fell to his son. Stephen Fuller Austin, then a young man of twenty-eight, at once made an exploring tour through Texas, was recognized as heir to his father's grant, and received the governor's approval of the plan which he had drawn up for the distribution of lands. This plan, after making provision for the head of the family and allowing a liberal portion for the wife and each child, further provided for a grant of eighty acres of land for each slave belonging to the family. In approving this plan, the government of Mexico, through its representative in Texas, acquiesced in and substantially encouraged the introduction of slaves into the new settlement. A great many immigrants found their way into Texas before the summer of 1822, most of them bearing contracts signed by Austin or his agents, in which they were promised land in accordance with the plan already mentioned. They were nearly all from the southern portion of the United States, and many of them were the owners of at least a small number of slaves. Thus it was that the institution was introduced into Texas.


Source 5
The enslavement of African Americans was the curse of early American life, and Texas was no exception. The Mexican government was opposed to slavery, but even so, there were 5000 slaves in Texas by the time of the Texas Revolution in 1836. By the time of annexation a decade later, there were 30,000; by 1860, the census found 182,566 slaves -- over 30% of the total population of the state.

I included the first paragraphs of Source 1,2,3,5. Source 4 has the paragraph after the one Ben quoted. All of these sources should be read in full to understand what they are saying. Ben as usual attempts to distort facts by taking things out of context.
At this point, shame on me. I should realize that Ben is a lost cause.

[Ben Kenobi]

Are you aware of the shift in party alignment in the 1960s?

Are you aware that Republicans supported and passed the Civil Rights act in 1964? What shift? The republican party has always supported Civil Rights.

Thus it was that the institution was introduced into Texas.

It's not a Texas institution, it was introduced by Americans after it was banned.

[Pax]

Ben, I'm not changing any of the sentences from the source...

Thus it was that the institution was introduced into Texas.

....is from the source....Now you're arguing with the source...
I'm tired of this circle jerk....you're lost...I can't save you.