We need an armed guard on every firetruck

[Dinner]

Fun drugs have been essentially banned for decades, and they are still readily available. If drug laws can't get rid of drugs, why should we trust gun laws to get rid of guns?

Dumber than usual. Using that logic we might as well get rid of all laws, of course, then we would have chaos and a much worse situation.

A much better solution is to identify where and how criminals and mentally ill people get their guns and then restrict the most common path ways. This isn't rocket science. Hell, 2/3rds of states still allow mental patients to get guns without any restrictions and there literally is no checks on anything (other than a three question self filled out form) to stop anyone from buying a gun at a gun show and then walking out with it. Eliminate second hand sales from people who aren't authorized licensed gun dealers and close things like the gun show loophole and you've solved a massive slice the problem. Hell, making sure background checks cover things like mental illness (which 2/3rds of states don't even require) would also help. You're just being dumb when you claim nothing will improve the situation.

[Krill]

Fun drugs have been essentially banned for decades, and they are still readily available. If drug laws can't get rid of drugs, why should we trust gun laws to get rid of guns?

Essentially it's a culture and sociological question: is your society willing to ban guns? If they are (and I mean 90%+ with punitive measures on those that don't hand over guns) then they can get banned, with a few exceptions for farmers etc to protect flocks. That's worked in other western countries. The reasoning for this I'd reckon is down to this: guns are not easy to manufacture, and even then ammunition supply is difficult: there are cases in the UK where homemade ammunition has been the reason a murder was not successful. Drugs, OTOH, are pretty easy to produce: plant the seeds and the plants will grow, and purification is something anyone can do with primitive knowledge and no special equipment (unlike weapons manufacture).

I actually don't think that the US will ever ban firearms, because you will not get enough of your society to agree to the concept. But because of that, as a society you are going to have to accept the costs such as increased rates of violent crimes amongst other things. Other western societies OTOH can function without firearms and benefit from that decision.

[SlowwHand]

You just don't get it at all, do you?

[Hauldren Collider]

So what you are doing is called spam.

I understand you don't want to provide insights. I'm used to it. Own up to it and admit you're spamming, then go away.

No, you are the spammer, moron. You are the one that started the thread despite the entire topic being done to death. You don't get to claim someone disrupting your USA sucks masturbation circle is spamming.

[Elok]

If the topic is stupid, don't post in the thread.*
If the poster is stupid, use your Ignore List.

*or threadjack/thread****, whichever

[Ben Kenobi]

Thinking it would be really funny if at least one of the US pro gun tw@ts on this forum got gunned down

Reported.

[Krill]

If it were you I'd write the governor for clemency.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Canada is magical, it just seems that way.

Corrected

[loinburger]

What's the answer to drug related violence? More drug laws?

Drugs/guns and their laws aren't analogous. Drug violence is, in a nutshell, a result of people fighting each other for control of the market. Repealing drug laws lowers the price / increases the supply, so a sane argument can be made that repealing drug laws will reduce drug violence. However, nobody here is making the argument that gun laws increase gun violence or that repealing gun laws will reduce gun violence - all they're saying is "I don't like gun laws, so I say we should repeal them."

[regexcellent]

None of those laws will do a lot of good as long as NYC is located in a country where guns are easy to get.

They're easy to obtain if you're willing to violate laws. Ability to get guns has nothing to do with the number of gun laws on the books, really. Otherwise Mexico, Brazil, and South Africa would all be gun violence free paradises.

[Dinner]

Except all three have pretty liberal laws as far as world standards go.

[Berzerker]

do we have the blood of people killed by drunk drivers on our hands?

and if we cleanse ourselves of that blood, will we then have the blood of people killed by Prohibition on our hands?

I'd like far fewer guns around, but peaceful means for achieving that goal are preferable to another "war" that'll likely kill far more people

[regexcellent]

Except all three have pretty liberal laws as far as world standards go.

All of them have laws more strict than New Zealand's or Canada's.

[giblets]

Mexico, Brazil and South Africa? Why are you comparing the United States with third world countries?

[regexcellent]

Why does that matter? Do you have a coherent reason why gun control in Brazil would operate differently?

Take note also of the Czech Republic which has pretty weak gun laws and not a ton of crime. In fact, the gun laws in the Czech Republic are generally weaker than those I deal with in Rochester.