We need an armed guard on every firetruck

[Kidlicious]

So a convicted felon ineligible to possess firearms had a gun in a place where they are severely restricted to non-felons already and carried one without a permit, then discharged it and succeeded in committing murder. Maybe if we had stacked five or six more laws onto that he would have paid attention and stayed home.

The laws won't do anything if they don't decrease the number of guns.

[Hauldren Collider]

Don't you have anything to say about the issue?

Everything I have to say about this issue has been said in the TWO other gun threads that are on the first page right now. I'm not going to reiterate them for your lazy ass. You start these threads simply to try to start your broken line of thinking anew free from the raging criticism it has received in the other gun threads. You already know my opinion. I don't need to repeat it; this hasn't changed it. It's not anything I haven't already addressed.

[giblets]

Yes, because our gun laws have completely failed to do anything meaningful for the past 80 years, we should start passing more in the blind faith that with just that much more government oversight things will become magically better. Mr. Firetruck Shooter's guns were illegal multiple times over. 1) he's a felon, 2) he had a gun in NYC, 3) he was carrying a gun in public in NYC, 4) he discharged a gun illegally in NYC, 5) he shot at people with intent to kill or maim.

None of those laws will do a lot of good as long as NYC is located in a country where guns are easy to get.

[SlowwHand]

The laws won't do ****. Here's a law that didn't do ****. You can make laws about anything you want to make one for, and it doesn't matter. It sets a penalty and that's all. Well, that and creates new criminal classes.

[Asher]

Everything I have to say about this issue has been said in the TWO other gun threads that are on the first page right now.

So what you are doing is called spam.

I understand you don't want to provide insights. I'm used to it. Own up to it and admit you're spamming, then go away.

[DinoDoc]

None of those laws will do a lot of good as long as NYC is located in a country where guns are easy to get.

God damn Constitution. How dare we let it put limits on the power of government!

[Asher]

The people who are saying "laws don't do ****" are probably good people.

The problem is they are dumb people.

Lax laws over centuries in the US ensures guns are everywhere. It's at the point that anyone can get a gun regardless of current laws.

You can pass laws saying no one with red hair can drink milk, but when milk is ****ing everywhere you can't enforce such a law. They'll get milk anyway.

Too much milk!

[Asher]

God damn Constitution. How dare we let it put limits on the power of government!

The constitution was clearly flawless when it was created, which is why it has zero amendments. Amiright?

Society and technology is also unchanged since the 1700s, so the restrictions and philosophy of what was "right" then is still "right" now. Amiright?

Y'all are a bunch of tools.

[DinoDoc]

People are free to try and gather momentum for a repeal of the 2nd Amendment if they really feel strongly about it, Asher.

[ricketyclik]

But, if we just pass more laws, then we'll all live in a safe and magical fairy land. Right?

Works for every other country.

Canada isn't magical, it just seems that way. What with our impossible-to-implement universal health care, resilient economy, higher life expectancy and rates of education. And drastically lower gun violence.

There were an estimated 310 million non-military firearms in the US in 2009, roughly one per citizen, and people are 20 times more likely to be killed by a gun than someone in another developed country.

The US's "freedoms" are screwing its people, and indirectly the people of the rest of the world. They're generally propaganda pushed by vested interests, eg the health care, arms, fossil fuel and financial industries.

[loinburger]

Yes, because our gun laws have completely failed to do anything meaningful for the past 80 years, we should start passing more in the blind faith that with just that much more government oversight things will become magically better.

Wait - so your answer to gun violence is to repeal gun laws?

[Felch]

Wait - so your answer to gun violence is to repeal gun laws?

What's the answer to drug related violence? More drug laws?

[Krill]

If all people did with guns was to shoot themselves that analogy might hold up...

[Felch]

Fun drugs have been essentially banned for decades, and they are still readily available. If drug laws can't get rid of drugs, why should we trust gun laws to get rid of guns?

[Dinner]

Firefighters have this happen at times. A convicted felon isn't supposed to have a gun, per the law. So much for passing a law.

40% of all guns and 80% of the guns used by criminals are gun show guns where there is no background check or really anything more formal than a self checkout questionnaire. THAT is where the biggest problem is right now and the gun show loophole needs to be closed. The next step should be to require all sales to go through licensed gun dealers so there is no more of Bubba Joe selling used guns online or at the swap meet.