Pro-Life Means Protect the Earth

[Jon Miller]

How does a changing birth rate in countries which are not starving (which is the only places where the birth rate will change, based on first world behavior), make it so that there are less starving people in the starving countries?

The US having a higher birth rate, or Italy or Japan, will not increase the number of starving people in the world at all. It does not exacberate the problem.

JM

[Heraclitus]

I think a higher birth rate in Japan or Italy would actually result in less starving people.

[MOBIUS]

All I said is that the decision ought to be left up to folks to decide how many they want. I think that population control should be rescinded, what sense does it make to ship boxes of condoms instead of food to starving countries?

Because then you don't need to send as much food - not to mention the fact that condoms weigh less than food. As for population control, I am assuming that if someone sticks a condom on their dick it's because they don't want kids - or deadly diseases. So that is an unnecessary assumption on your part.

No, quite the opposite. I assume that people are valuable in and of themselves, and that with an increase in the population we would expect to see greater innovation. I assume that government will be corrupt and try to stall innovation, which is why they support population control.

All I am arguing is that sending condoms instead of food is disastrous. I am not calling for active measures to 'increase the population', all I am saying is that we should just get out of the way.

Why not just let the local population decide for itself?

I don't think anyone is threatening to make people wear condoms at gunpoint, so to speak...

[MOBIUS]

Additionally, the use of condoms helps prevent something else - the spread of STDs, particularly AIDs. I know you're gonna try to tell me that not using a condom is more effective than using a condom when it comes to stopping the spread of AIDs, but that's flat out wrong and you know it, and so does the Catholic Church - it's just that the Catholic Church doesn't really care about stopping the spread of AIDs if that conflicts with their primary aim of spreading doctrine, and I'm sad to say you seem to agree with that position.

So, basically you're saying the Catholic Church is evil. And, by extension, so is BK.

[BlackCat]

BK using LK as an argument leads me to think he's playing way too much CivIV - what an absurd argument.

If that theory should have any validity, then I suggest that all women are impregnated either naturally or artificially every year. That will make this world sound and prosperous.

Just because LK being the seventh child doesn't mean that a child from a family with only one such can't make the same discoveries.

[Ben Kenobi]

condoms are of more long term benefit than food.

This, again, is the anti-human attitude that I am combatting. Why are condoms more valuable than food?

the Catholic Church opposes birth control because they love people

Exactly so.

However, sending a short term solution to end a famine, in a country where continuous famines are the result of corruption and, yes, overpopulation, at least vis a vis that nation's available resources/technology, is certainly more disastrous than shipping condoms.

So much for lassez faire! Short term help is better than long-term dependency and sexual imperialism.

[Ben Kenobi]

Why not just let the local population decide for itself?

How about just letting them be and not trying to impose population control on them? There have been campaigns where they have sterilized people without their consent, paid for by the UN.

[Ben Kenobi]

Just because LK being the seventh child doesn't mean that a child from a family with only one such can't make the same discoveries.

Which is why the thousands of people before him came up with his ideas...oh wait.

[MOBIUS]

How about just letting them be and not trying to impose population control on them? There have been campaigns where they have sterilized people without their consent, paid for by the UN.

Stop changing the goalposts. We're talking about condoms, not sterilisation (proof please).

Condoms don't sterilise people - or is this the latest lie your ilk are spreading!!?

You give a family condoms, they can choose whether to use them. It is their choice - a point you've seen fit to ignore for whatever reason.

For whatever reason, you feel the need to strip away peoples freedoms.

[BlackCat]

Which is why the thousands of people before him came up with his ideas...oh wait.

Are you seriously claiming that only a family with seven children can produce a child that can make such discoveries

[Ben Kenobi]

Stop changing the goalposts. We're talking about condoms, not sterilisation (proof please).

You stated,

I don't think anyone is threatening to make people wear condoms at gunpoint, so to speak...

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My response is that, yes, in fact they do sterilize them coercively. Same population controllers.

For whatever reason, you feel the need to strip away peoples freedoms.

Bull****! Says the man who wants to see China's one child policy everywhere, probably the most coercive population controllers in the world.

[Ben Kenobi]

Are you seriously claiming that only a family with seven children can produce a child that can make such discoveries

I'm stating that only Lord Kelvin at the time came up with his ideas. No Lord Kelvin, none of his ideas.

[BlackCat]

I'm stating that only Lord Kelvin at the time came up with his ideas. No Lord Kelvin, none of his ideas.

Are you really saying that noone else but LK could have figured out what he did ? I mean for serious real ?

[Ben Kenobi]

I'm sure that eventually someone would have. Just would have taken longer.

[MOBIUS]

You stated,

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My response is that, yes, in fact they do sterilize them coercively. Same population controllers.

This sterilisation crap you've suddenly started spouting about has nothing to do with my point about condoms! Another Bennist leap of faith and logic!

PROOF! I asked for proof and you ignore my request, so AFAIC this sterilisation is a figment of your imagination until you provide trustworthy links.

Bull****! Says the man who wants to see China's one child policy everywhere, probably the most coercive population controllers in the world.

I didn't realise you were so eager to learn Chinese - China itself reckons there are at least 300mn fewer Chinese because of their policy...

I don't want it - but I think it is fast becoming a necessary tool to consider in the face of the impending resources crunch that we are about to suffer. Your feeble-headed concept of unrestrained population growth is an impossibility because we are dealing with a world of finite resources. Some of the stuff you spout is childishly naive at such an elementary level...