Pro-Life Means Protect the Earth

[Heraclitus]

But "Kelvin" will come, probably sooner than later - his apperance has nothing to do with number of children.

If prefer not to wait for Lord Kelivns to appear. The universe is a nasty unpredictable place which may wipe us out at any moment. Humanity is a child in a world of adult problems, we need to grow up fast.

[Heraclitus]

worldwide TFR is 2.4 and dropping quickly

This. Even places like Iran and Turkey are experiencing declining feritlity and China may not reach replacement fertility even if it dropped the one child policy now.

[Heraclitus]

But "Kelvin" will come, probably sooner than later - his apperance has nothing to do with number of children.

Yes it does.



You need a certain IQ to make a great contribution to science, I would say in physics at least 160 in other fields as low as ~130 may do and those two guesstimates will only rise in the future as the fruit left to be picked gets higher and higher. The heritability of IQ is 0.8 which is quite impressive even when you consider regression towards the mean. And even if only people with low to average IQs where to benefit from a higher TFR there would still be a greater absolute number of high IQ individuals.

[Heraclitus]

[KH mode]
no.
[KH mode off]

I'm sorry unless the kids are malnurished I don't see how this is true. And the Europe, America, Russia and Japan would not be starving even with a TFR of 7. Actually even if the kids are starving this might not be true, since the Flynn effect (which is environmental) has been shown to raise average IQ's by reducing the number of people who land on the lower end of the bell curve.

[Heraclitus]

I understand condoms are not conducive to much of African culture, but that does not exonerate the Church. The Church is reinforcing that mentality and it gets people killed. And what increased risk? You just said Africans dont want condoms while claiming condoms dont reduce STDs - they wont if they aint being used. The introduction of condoms did not create promiscuity or adultery.

Actually this my not be the case. Islam does a pretty good job of having poor countries, even those with a black majority, have a low % of HIV+. I think that if RCC missionaries in Africa would adhere more strictly to what the church was like 100 years ago instead of importing modern relativism (which is corrosive for low IQ black communties worldwide, look at Haiti what keeps the order there is not the modern state but the idea that people can use Vodoo to avenge wrongs or that the spirit of your victim might come back as a zombie to hunt you) the AIDS rates might be lower.



I'm all for shipping condoms there, but the fact is that the best result possible would be a really hardcore anti fornication RCC with condoms discretly available for those who won't listen to the church anyway. Also use your brains, if the anti-condom policy was costing more lives among belivers that it creates the pope would be quick to say condoms are ok since he dosen't want fewer belivers.

[Berzerker]

Not sure what modern relativism means but I doubt it led to voodoo

Has the Church seen great success at reducing promiscuity in Africa? You're right that religion matters, ie Islam is very anti-sex outside of their patriarchal/sexual slavery BS and it does result in a lower AIDs rate, but at the cost of other nasty pathologies. But if the Church is pissing in the wind trying to change that aspect of culture then telling people condoms are the devil is getting people killed. People need accurate information, the Church has other priorities.

[Imran Siddiqui]

You want to contract an STD, do what David does.

Listen, you horrible excuse for a human being, David, by using protection every time, has over a 90% at NOT contracting an STD. And don't pull your what about if he waited until marriage bull**** because that's irrelevant. What an evil person you are... no wonder the Church is losing members. People run into judgmental creeps like yourself there.

[Heraclitus]

Not sure what modern relativism means but I doubt it led to voodoo

Modern relativism has not infected Haiti. Voodoo is an example of how a traditional religion keeps some semblance of order.

[David Floyd]

Listen, you horrible excuse for a human being, David, by using protection every time, has over a 90% at NOT contracting an STD. And don't pull your what about if he waited until marriage bull**** because that's irrelevant. What an evil person you are... no wonder the Church is losing members. People run into judgmental creeps like yourself there.

When Imran defends my argument, I know I'm right. I got bored arguing with you, BK. It's nothing but misdirection and disingenuous/manipulative bull****. At this point, if you seriously can't see past your dogma to the real world, you're ****ing retarded. And yes, I did meet you in real life, and yes, I did enjoy hanging out with you.

But seriously, you are either ****ing trolling us, or your thought process is seriously defective.

[MOBIUS]

BK has to defend his arguments to the hilt, because to do otherwise would be an admission that his life choices so far are a total and utter waste of time. No one wants to admit their entire life's values are based on a house of cards - he is in a state of total denial.

Hence he becomes ever strident in his defences, ever more desperate as it's apparent that he's the only person on poly that has these twisted backward beliefs, that he has to 'win' the argument in his own mind by outlasting the patience of all his opponents...

I actually pity the guy that he calls this forum 'home' and yet all the other posters reject him utterly.

[Heraclitus]

Coming from a Welshman.

[Ben Kenobi]

At this point, if you seriously can't see past your dogma to the real world, you're ****ing retarded.

Wow. Thesaurus much? I hope you didn't have to look that up.

[Ben Kenobi]

Listen, you horrible excuse for a human being, David, by using protection every time, has over a 90% at NOT contracting an STD. And don't pull your what about if he waited until marriage bull**** because that's irrelevant. What an evil person you are... no wonder the Church is losing members. People run into judgmental creeps like yourself there.

Fine. So you are saying I have a 1 in 10 chance of contracting an STD. What are the odds now if I sleep with 10 or more people?

Yeah, that's math.

As for judgmental creeps, all I'm saying is look, you can be lucky or right. I prefer to be right and not rely on luck to avoid an STD.

And waiting for marriage is entirely relevant. That's the whole point of the comparison. Just because you'd rather be lucky than right, doesn't mean that your strategy is risk free. People are always criticised for being the downer and warning people that they are taking on too much risk. Well whatever.

[Ben Kenobi]

would be an admission that his life choices so far are a total and utter waste of time. No one wants to admit their entire life's values are based on a house of cards - he is in a state of total denial.

You seem to operate on the mistaken understanding that I've not tried your way and haven't found that it blows donkey chunks. Again, no desire to put those clothes on again.

As for being the only one here, "Let God be true, and every man a liar."

[BlackCat]

Fine. So you are saying I have a 1 in 10 chance of contracting an STD. What are the odds now if I sleep with 10 or more people?

Yeah, that's math.

Could someone please quote this so KH can read it - I know that it will make his head explode, but he migth be able to write something that will make BK want to be in hell instead just before