Making the friend-to-girlfriend conversion

[Agathon]

OK I wasn't talking about "being together" so much as getting them into bed.

Ah, the old days, pre-marriage....

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
I think you need to read it more closely, paiktis. The "intangibles" are mentioned in both the male and female pie charts.

But they're not treated as defining. Whereas in many situations are. That's the shortcoming that makes the ladder crumble alltogether IMO.
Hence no absoluts and a theory that's just the "truth" of a bitter guy and what he has understood in his "environment" of girls. (that are all *****es looking for the rich guy for one).

[Drake Tungsten]

But they're not treated as defining. Whereas in many situations are.

That's your reasoning? I don't expect much out of you, but I expect more than this. What exactly does "defining" mean?

Very few relationships exist where personality triumphs over looks, money, or power. Those few relationships are adequately represented by the small portions of the male and female pies devoted to them. Deal with it...

[Bereta_Eder]

LOL
sorry to dissapoint you
You're starting to get dull yourself.

Defining means they are what mainly makes the relationship exist.

You're wrong to think that most relationships are based on looks and mainly money or power. Maybe in a set "environment" but not in another. And I'm sorry for you if you exist in the first environment. It's the lowlest.

BTW Those "few" as you say relationships are not represented by the pies dedicated to male and female.
Completely unrelated. These pies represent the amount of influence these "intangible" aspects have on the positioning of the ladder. Which is in itself an "odd" an oxymoron since they are, duh, intangbile as that theory says but also defining.

[Ben Kenobi]

Drake Tungsten:

Those few relationships are adequately represented by the small portions of the male and female pies devoted to them.

Are 10% of all relationships due to force of personality as opposed to 90 % due to more prudential and shallow concerns such as looks and money? I'd find that hard to believe.

Looks will pass, and money won't keep you warm at night.

[orange]

here's a crazy thought - tell her how you feel about her.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by orange
here's a crazy thought - tell her how you feel about her.

DON'T

She's 14 and will probably laugh. Use the "kadoonk" method - it works, honest.

[Drake Tungsten]

Are 10% of all relationships due to force of personality as opposed to 90 % due to more prudential and shallow concerns such as looks and money? I'd find that hard to believe.

I don't. The ladder theory seems perfectly reasonable to me. Paiktis is just in denial about what women really want...

[Jaguar]

here's a crazy thought - tell her how you feel about her.

DON'T

She's 14 and will probably laugh. Use the "kadoonk" method - it works, honest.

Wouldn't kissing her effectively be telling her . And she's the sort of person where its either going to be a yes or a non-painful non-awkward no.

orange, believe it or not, your crazy thought has crossed my mind from time to time. But it's simple to say, complex to put into practice. I want to find the best way.

[orange]

i was 14 and 3/4 once. I know exactly how you feel. Easier said than done. But looking back...man I wish I would have.

[Al'Kimiya]

Tell her you're grateful you have such a nice friend and that you're hoping that when you're both adults and ready for it she'll enlist you to be her potential mate. Oh.. and try not to breath funny when you say it, it could be misinterpreted.

[Spiffor]

If you get to be alone with her for a long time, you can try to get close to her progressively (I mean, you slowly get closer and closer, like by touching her hair, holding her shoulders). It's better if she just feels your intentions, rather than blatantly see them.
Try to push the conversation to the girl/guy topic, and especially on topics like love etc. Your declaration, or "kadoonk" will be only natural then

[Solly]

Just kiss her.

[Immortal Wombat]

I have the same problem.

I nearly solved it yesterday when her G-string appeared over her jeans, and an almost irresistable urge to just ping it came over me.

I didn't.

[Felch]

Tell her she's hot. Just walk up to her tomorrow, look her in the eye, say, "Goddamn, you are gorgeous," and walk right past her. Girls like complements, if she doesn't feel the same way about you, it's not a big deal. She'll be happy that you said something nice. I do it a lot, and it's a very non-committal way of expressing how you feel. There's no question for her to answer, and the more you do it, the easier it'll be.