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Totally off topic here guys but I just read this on the BBC news site
Australian school boys seeking an under-age drink in pubs made a crucial mistake when they forged proof-of-age documents. The photographs used in their faked driving licences showed the boys wearing school uniforms.
The lads are from Brisbane apparently - so I guess Finbar isn't surprised by their razor sharp intelligence?It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt
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They're that much closer to the sun, y'see. Bakes their brains. And it's the honest to goodness truth that some Queenslanders didn't want daylight savings - Qld and WA don't adopt it when everyone else does - because they thought the extra hour of sunlight would fade the curtains." ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
"The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
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Originally posted by finbar
They're that much closer to the sun, y'see. Bakes their brains. And it's the honest to goodness truth that some Queenslanders didn't want daylight savings - Qld and WA don't adopt it when everyone else does - because they thought the extra hour of sunlight would fade the curtains.
Have you heard any of those tasmanian sayings before?...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty
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Originally posted by Havak
And I’m sure you notice I’m ignoring that spurious U-21 result – pure fluke.
I think the Pumas look good enough to replace South Africa in the tri-nations to be honest with you?
In the second half I guess they were yeah – but I thought they held up well in the first half. Maybe I mis-read it. Most of the time the ball flew out your scrum in the traditional Wallaby style anyway so I may have been deceived by that?
Wow, that’s a little worrying, White is perhaps the least pedantic ref we have. Just keep your eyes on Steve Lander in the tri-nations.
I’m afraid it is interpretation again – and the Wallabies will have to learn to play NH refs regardless of what Herald writers think of them because NH refs won’t change to suit SH teams, and vice versa of course. If you play NZ in the RWC final it is very likely you will have an English or French ref (I doubt the IRB would sanction a Bok for that game – politics).
I agree and I have. Finnegan on Wilko in Melbourne ring any bells with you? An awful late challenge and the (Bok) ref did nothing.
On Saturday the Frenchman was clearly committed to the tackle and it was fractional – but still he was in the wrong and he was told it very clearly. Larkham is targeted all the time of course – by everyone who plays you. I can understand it annoys badly.
All Fly halves need protecting better from late take outs, but until you get Finny to stop lining up the opposition Fly half you can’t seriously expect Larkham to get any breaks there either?" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
"The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
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Originally posted by finbar
How bizarre. What time does the rugby normally start? Here, it's either 7pm or 7.30pm. It might also have something to do with TV coverage. Who is televising the soccer and who is televising the rugby? If it's the same outlet, that would explain it. Media rules, y'see.
Isn't that lovely of them?
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Liked the curtains thing
Admittedly, one opponent was Romania
I gather the Pumas are only a fraction as good away from home
Eddie's well aware of it.
offside was shown, on replay, to be a matter of inches
They're going to line him up regardless to take him out of the game
My point was more that international flankers will line up the opposing fly half and he will often be hit late - and I simply cited that the Wallabies give as well as receive in that respect -which rather deflates any indignation felt by the nation?
It happens to all teams and I'm not sure it is easily stopped - most refs will bottle using a card for margins as slim as that (and I grant you we disagree on the margin involved) And yes the french lad should have stopped if he could have - without any doubt. He isn't known as a dirty player though.
Butch James - I can't see him tolerated much longer to be honest. A shoulder barge is not a tackle in any way. He will be head butting in the 'tackle' next?It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt
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French pack is immense and they are not a team you can keep on the back foot all game. The best way to play France is to provoke a bust-up in the pack very early on, as their discipline can fall apart big time if you do. Old fashioned rugby there I guess.
I agree with those who think the ref was a bit whistle-happy. He was still good, however.
As for the late tackle on Larkham, I think Betsen could hardly stop before the tackle. I also think the pressure Larkham was under has been nothing compared to that Wilkinson suffered in the tournament against France.Clash of Civilization team member
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Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
Well actually, it was opposing free-to-air TV stations that aired these two sports events. They tend to compete for viewers. The World Cup was on TVNZ, and the Rugby free on TV3. I guess it was in the interests of sports fans everywhere.
Isn't that lovely of them?
Edit. I just checked our Cable TV guide. I didn't see the AB-Irish game, but the telecast was scheduled for 5.30pm our time - 7.30pm Kiwi time - so unless there was a late change to the game's starting time, the game was played at the normal time and the telecast was delayed. Unheardof in NZ, I'd've thought, as MrW said earlier.Last edited by finbar; June 24, 2002, 20:26." ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
"The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
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Originally posted by Havak
Liked the curtains thing
They play the Boks away Saturday so we should be able to tell after that.
I don't think the panic button needs to be pressed - the French pack is immense and they are not a team you can keep on the back foot all game. The best way to play France is to provoke a bust-up in the pack very early on, as their discipline can fall apart big time if you do. Old fashioned rugby there I guess.
Yep he's a great ref all right - makes great judgement calls like this. Unless you were arguing he should let offside go? Offside is offside after all - be it an inch or a foot it is against the laws of the game.
My point was more that international flankers will line up the opposing fly half and he will often be hit late - and I simply cited that the Wallabies give as well as receive in that respect -which rather deflates any indignation felt by the nation?
It happens to all teams and I'm not sure it is easily stopped - most refs will bottle using a card for margins as slim as that (and I grant you we disagree on the margin involved) And yes the french lad should have stopped if he could have - without any doubt. He isn't known as a dirty player though.
Butch James - I can't see him tolerated much longer to be honest. A shoulder barge is not a tackle in any way. He will be head butting in the 'tackle' next?" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
"The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
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Originally posted by LDiCesare
As for the late tackle on Larkham, I think Betsen could hardly stop before the tackle. I also think the pressure Larkham was under has been nothing compared to that Wilkinson suffered in the tournament against France.
My problem with evaluating the Wallaby performance last Saturday night is that, because I'm not altogether familiar with the French outfit, I'm not sure exactly how strong the French team was. How did last Saturday night's French team rate against - say, the team that won the 6 Nations?" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
"The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
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Yes, that looks like England playing France all right.
There were Letters to the Editor on the matter. They're documented.
Still, if the Pumas go down, maybe it is.
Eddie Jones has said he's determined to get more muscle into the forwards.
you're eventually going to get it wrong.
Seriously though it was quite funny to see written down the idea Mr White was slightly ‘bad’ because he got marginal decisions RIGHT?
I think you're allowing Owen Finnegan to colour your thoughts
There are teams that mercilessly target fly halves though – our friends RSA spring to mind? I’m certain Larkham will receive some heavy hits from the Boks later this season.
I think a card - for the more blatant cases - is the way to go.
I can only recall him ever getting one card.
How did last Saturday night's French team rate against - say, the team that won the 6 Nations?It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt
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France played muxh better against england and Ireland than Australia. The rest of the matches of the 6 nations were not as good.
Mostly, the front row lacks De Villiers, who is good and rarely penalized, and lacked cohesion. Galthie, the scrum half, was also a severe miss. Michalak was good enough, but Galthie is also the captain and would probably have told his forwards how to behave.
Betsen (number 6) made lots of fouls he usually doesn't do, and was hardly a nuisance to the 10, while he totally prevented Wilkinson from playing.
I think the team probably suffered from time lag too, and are tired as it is the end of season for us, and most of tem have been playing to the half finals, 2 weeks before flying to the Southern hemisphere.
Thus, they can do much better.Clash of Civilization team member
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Interesting comments on the French team, Havak and LDiCesare. Thanks.
Tonight Australia A played France A for the the second time. Australia A won 37-34 (with a converted try after the hooter) after being down 13-31 early in the second half. The French had two players sent off in the last ten minutes for very silly professional fouls when the Australians were blitzing them.
The French included 7 of their Test squad in the team. Early on, their discipine was terrible, giving away silly penalties. Then they settled down and played some terrific rugby. Heymans on the wing showed blistering speed and saved a try late in the second half with a brilliant tackle. The consensus was that he has probably played his way into the Test side. Barrau and Cermeno also had top games.
But they really lost the plot in the last 10-15 minutes. Australia A suddenly clicked when Duncan Macrae came on as replacement 5/8. They went berserk and stormed home." ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
"The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
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