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  • #256
    Well, the Wallabies are going to discover how strong their pack is on Saturday night with the French bringing back Ibanez, Brouzet and Crenca into the Tight 5. At the same time, the Wallabies have had to replace the hooker and #8. My eyes are already watering for our pack.
    " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
    "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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    • #257
      Oops! Sorry. Forgot to mention the U21 World Cup. Sponsored by Havak's Formula For Instant Memory Loss.

      Australia thumped Wales 43-7 in one semi, SA toppled title-holders NZ in the other semi - 19-18 - with a very late penalty.

      So it's Australia -v- SA in the final.

      Of course, if Australia loses, I might just have to do a Havak.
      " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
      "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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      • #258
        the last part was missing...
        Pas de problem. I understood you were unhappy with his interpretation at the scrum but your views were still closer to mind than Finbars had been.

        I am afraid the ref on Saturday is every bit as worrying as Finbar suggests from my experience of him helming Internationals up here – combining the very worst of SH interpretation (stand as afar offside as you like and enjoy <1 second to release at tackle ball) with the very worst of NH (pedantic technicalities at the ruck and set pieces). He may be a Kiwi but I have to feel he must have been educated here?

        Finbar – I’ve not yet registered the qualities of Kaplan – again yet another name to watch out for (he is bound to get a tri series match?).

        that's your best mate Buddha, Havak


        A nice bloke and quite entertaining with it – but he talks total nonsense a lot of the time. I’d love to see him co-commentate with ‘Wino’ Barnes – it might be 80 mins of rubbish but it would be a real belly laugh.

        but the French kept doing it
        It is very, very easy for a pack that knows it’s opponents are under scrutiny for this to make it look like it keeps on happening. I am not suggesting any Australian team would use such tactics of course.

        it turned out to be Italian!
        I bet that went down well?

        Our old (or rather my old) friend McHugh frequently gets club games involving French sides as he speaks fluent French. Best be grateful he didn’t get picked for this tour then?

        Sponsored by Havak's Formula For Instant Memory Loss.
        I was going to take it to market – but I forgot how to make it.

        In light of the fact you haven’t made as much as you could have out of England’s fight for penultimate or last place I promise not to be too harsh when you lose to SA.
        It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt

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        • #259
          Originally posted by Havak

          I am afraid the ref on Saturday is every bit as worrying as Finbar suggests from my experience of him helming Internationals up here – combining the very worst of SH interpretation (stand as afar offside as you like and enjoy <1 second to release at tackle ball) with the very worst of NH (pedantic technicalities at the ruck and set pieces). He may be a Kiwi but I have to feel he must have been educated here?
          Never forget - there's a lot of Brit in NZ.

          Finbar – I’ve not yet registered the qualities of Kaplan – again yet another name to watch out for (he is bound to get a tri series match?).
          He's considered one of their best. He'll get a Tri-Nations match.

          It is very, very easy for a pack that knows it’s opponents are under scrutiny for this to make it look like it keeps on happening. I am not suggesting any Australian team would use such tactics of course.
          All too true. Except in this case ... every replay showed them doing it. Very silly.

          In light of the fact you haven’t made as much as you could have out of England’s fight for penultimate or last place I promise not to be too harsh when you lose to SA.
          Oh! The battle with the Argies for 7th and 8th place? Well, it could have been worse. Not a lot. But worse.
          " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
          "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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          • #260
            there's a lot of Brit in NZ.
            And a lot of NZ in Brit - Scotland at least.

            Well as Kaplan can only potentially helm two of the matches even I should manage to catch him, memory allowing.

            every replay showed them doing it. Very silly.
            If so they deserve what they got all right - you have to play the ref. If he starts punishing something you move your infringments to something he is not pulling up? Cynical but true?

            Well, it could have been worse. Not a lot. But worse.
            Keep in mind I am a long suffering England fan - emphasis firmly on the 'long' with a worthy mention for the suffering. Still got them violins?

            Still it's this kind of thing that makes its sweeter when the senior team pulls off big wins - I am a "the glass is half full" kind of fan.
            It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt

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            • #261
              Originally posted by Havak

              If so they deserve what they got all right - you have to play the ref. If he starts punishing something you move your infringments to something he is not pulling up? Cynical but true?
              Just true.

              Keep in mind I am a long suffering England fan - emphasis firmly on the 'long' with a worthy mention for the suffering. Still got them violins?
              Paganinni's warming up as I type!

              Still it's this kind of thing that makes its sweeter when the senior team pulls off big wins - I am a "the glass is half full" kind of fan.
              And don't take your chair while you're at the bar!

              To tell you the honest truth, this French team they've picked for Saturday night scares me just a bit. If our forwards aren't right on song - or singing a better song than usual - we could be in trouble.
              " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
              "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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              • #262
                Originally posted by finbar


                Not that I'm elevating Eddie, but it's interesting that the best coaches seem to have been only average players themselves. I can't think of any great players going on to become great coaches. Can you?
                Grizz Wiley?
                ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                • #263
                  Originally posted by Caligastia


                  Grizz Wiley?
                  Who?
                  " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
                  "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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                  • #264
                    Originally posted by finbar


                    Who?
                    He was an All Black a while back, and he coached Argentina. Dont know if he still is or not. Also John Kirwan is the italian coach, and Im sure youve heard of him
                    ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                    ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                    • #265
                      Originally posted by finbar
                      All too true. Except in this case ... every replay showed them doing it. Very silly.
                      Do you really think the french players are this stupid Finbar ?

                      Do you really think they are so dumb they refuse to use their best weapon against the Wallabies and even prefer to allow Matthew Burke scoring 3 points each penalty ?

                      More seriously Finbar, the Aussies have been the best but the French players have certainly not commited as many fouls as Mr White and you tend to believe it.
                      "Democracy is the worst form of government there is, except for all the others that have been tried." Sir Winston Churchill

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                      • #266
                        My question specified "great coaches". Plenty of great players have gone on to coach. With great respect to John Kirwan, he's hardly a great coach. Yet.
                        " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
                        "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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                        • #267
                          Originally posted by Tamerlin

                          Do you really think the french players are this stupid Finbar ?

                          Do you really think they are so dumb they refuse to use their best weapon against the Wallabies and even prefer to allow Matthew Burke scoring 3 points each penalty ?
                          Tamerlin, I was talking about the Australia A -v- France A match last Tuesday night, not the Test match last Saturday night. The French A scrum was penalised a number of times for driving in and up, "popping" the scrum. I watched the game.
                          " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
                          "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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                          • #268
                            And he faces a massive challenge to become one where he has gone I'm afraid.

                            And don't take your chair while you're at the bar!
                            This is my only "remember this and we'll get on just fine" rule.

                            And now I think I need to leave you to the discussion about the front row infractions.
                            It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt

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                            • #269
                              Originally posted by finbar
                              My question specified "great coaches". Plenty of great players have gone on to coach. With great respect to John Kirwan, he's hardly a great coach. Yet.
                              Does Grizz qualify as a "great" coach? He has done a lot for Argentina. He was also a great player in his day...
                              ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                              ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                              • #270
                                Great. Argentina.

                                I'm sure the lack of association will become evident given time.
                                It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt

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