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Originally posted by Tamerlin
even some Civilization Gold would have been cool
Great idea! That solves our international currency problem, Caligastia. We bet in Civ Gold. What could be more apposite?
but unfortunately I'am on holydays for two weeks and I'am leaving for a place where I won't have any link to Internet (I know, it's awful, terrible...).
But hopefully you'll be able to watch the Test. Fear not, though, in your absence here, I will be very fair to France.
Havak : all my money on France saturday... I trust you !
Steady on Tamerlin, I think Havak works for WorldCom. Or Xerox.
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
Okay, I'll be the first to post the good*/bad*/who gives a sh*t?* news!
(* = choose your attitude according to where you live. Anyone in Leicestershire should automatically choose "good"! )
In the U-21 World Cup final, SA defeated Australia 24-21. Australia came back in the second half and narrowly missed a penalty and field goal attempt to lose the game.
I'm waiting for the England -v- Argentina result for 123rd and 124th places.
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
Solid AB performance against dodgy oppo who were minus one player for the last 15 minutes and two players for the last 5 minutes. The Fijians just can't cut it against quality structured play. Great 7s players, but. The ABs got their combinations working well but the game could be costly for them. Umaga went off in the first half with a knee problem and Leon MacDonald was carried off after a terrible (accidental) head clash. Jonah Lomu was heavily involved in the game. I have to say, I think he's as strong as ever, but he has lost his high speed.
BTW, if you'd backed Fiji on the NZ TAB, you'd have collected. The Fijians were given 61 points in.
Well, the entree's out of the way - now for the main course! Australia -v- France is about to kick off!
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
Great match. They played each other to a standstill. The French ballhandling was so much better than last week. The Australian forwards held their own, but their backs - Mortlock, Herbert, Latham, etc - were outstanding. In fact, they're so big and strong that they're operating as almost de facto forwards. With the Wallabies' 4 rookies - replacement hooker Sam Hardman, who played most of the second half, has barely played a S12 match - and the youth in the French team, all augers well for the future for both teams.
Even ref Honiss had a better game than usual, communicating well with the players and letting things flow. OTOH, his sending off of Owen Finnegan was ridiculous. Obviously the angle from which the ref saw things was different to the replay angles. Finnegan was approaching at speed to tackle, the French player changed direction, and the collision happened earlier than it otherwise would have.
Equally, I suspect the ref stiffed the French in the lead up to one of the early Wallaby tries. Australia knocked on, the ref played advantage to the French, who proceeded to knock on, Australia gathered the ball and scored the try. Unless the ref had called the French advantage over - and if he had, it would have been a very very short advantage in a game where healthy advantages were played - he should have called the ball back for the French to take the penalty.
Still, I'm happy with the Wallaby progress. There were even more signs of variations in approach to the game, which is heartening; and their sheer professionalism under pressure was excellent to see. And I suspect Tamerlin and LDiCesare wouldn't be unhappy with their team's effort either.
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
Which seems to indicate the Pumas don't travel well.
Oh, and England -d- Argentina for 123rd place in the U-21 World Cup.
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
Originally posted by finbar
Wallabies 31
d
France 25
Great match.
I agree, but very frustrating as it was a match the french players shouldn't have lost.
Originally posted by finbar
Even ref Honiss had a better game than usual, communicating well with the players and letting things flow.
I'am sorry Finbar, but I really have some trouble to imagine he can be worse than what I have seen today. It must be something really terrible...
He doesn't deserve that I speak about him.
Originally posted by finbar
Equally, I suspect the ref stiffed the French in the lead up to one of the early Wallaby tries. Australia knocked on, the ref played advantage to the French, who proceeded to knock on, Australia gathered the ball and scored the try. Unless the ref had called the French advantage over - and if he had, it would have been a very very short advantage in a game where healthy advantages were played - he should have called the ball back for the French to take the penalty.
You are right, as for Owen Finnegan.
Originally posted by finbar
Still, I'm happy with the Wallaby progress. There were even more signs of variations in approach to the game, which is heartening; and their sheer professionalism under pressure was excellent to see. And I suspect Tamerlin and LDiCesare wouldn't be unhappy with their team's effort either.
I'am sorry Finbar, but I really have some trouble to imagine he can be worse than what I have seen today. It must be something really terrible...
He doesn't deserve that I speak about him.
Oh well, NH -v- SH interpretations again. Never the 'twain shall meet.
The French team has lost this game more than the Wallabies has won it...
Sorry, Tamerlin, I think you're underestimating the Wallaby effort. The French hit the front - while Finnegan was off the ground - but had no answer to the running of Herbert and Mortlock and the coordination around them. The last couple of minutes saw exhaustion take over for both sides. Still, the important thing was that it was a quality match.
"Enfin, c'est comme ça !"
True.
This is my last post for two weeks, have fun betting some Civ Gold.
I'm betting the French will go a long, long way in the World Cup. They're a very exciting team. That replacement winger - who played for French A during the week - is like greased lightning.
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
Okay! Have fun for two weeks. If you're having a holiday, that is. If you're not having a holiday ... have fun anyway!
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
Originally posted by Tamerlin
Yes Finbar, I'am going on holidays for two weeks, I'am leaving tomorrow afternoon for the French Mediterranean coast with my six and a half year son.
Lucky bugger! A couple of years ago I took a couple of weeks to wander around the coast (west from Marseilles) and down into Spain. I particularly remember Sete. (My keyboard doesn't type graves!) I'd love to do the trip again sometime.
No Internet connexion, no access to cable or satellite TV so no rugby match for two weeks...
You need a portable satellite.
I notice that Biaritz has signed NSW winger/centre Mark Stcherbina to replace Joe Roff. He's a very good player - quick, and very, very strong. He would always be a first-choice NSW player, but he realised he had a lot of competition for a Wallaby spot.
Anyway, have a great time!
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
Lucky bugger! A couple of years ago I took a couple of weeks to wander around the coast (west from Marseilles) and down into Spain. I particularly remember Sète. I'd love to do the trip again sometime.
If you have been down into spain you have perhaps visited Perpignan (a town hosting one of the top 16 rugby team) and Collioure (not famous for its rugby team but for its old historical village) where I'am going, just 30 km away from the spanish border.
I notice that Biaritz has signed NSW winger/centre Mark Stcherbina to replace Joe Roff. He's a very good player - quick, and very, very strong. He would always be a first-choice NSW player, but he realised he had a lot of competition for a Wallaby spot.
I have read Biarritz has signed an Australian player but I haven't got the time to read the full article, I will have a closer look at this new during my holidays.
Anyway, have a great time!
Thanks Finbar !
It's time to go to bed, see you in two weeks !
"Democracy is the worst form of government there is, except for all the others that have been tried." Sir Winston Churchill
If you have been down into spain you have perhaps visited Perpignan (a town hosting one of the top 16 rugby team) and Collioure (not famous for its rugby team but for its old historical village) where I'am going, just 30 km away from the spanish border.
Yep! Been to both!
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
He should. It was one of the worst pieces of unprovoked violence I have ever seen by a Professional player – he was lucky it remained within the game and was not taken further under criminal law.
And I suspect Duncan will happily go anywhere and take whatever's coming right on the chin. As it were.
Quite literally possibly - he has a bit of history with some of the England team – so in a way I’d like to see him take the field (also because I still think Larkham is a class or ten above him despite how well he has come on since going home)
where Havak stands on Britain and Europe
I’m a big fan of both.
What do you mean that isn’t what you meant?
Havak what do you think?
I think I ought to start checking this thread from home at the weekend.
Anyone in Leicestershire should automatically choose "good"!
I have a few problems with your media and the attitude of some players and Union officials but I’m not anti-Aussie in the way you think.
Even ref Honiss had a better game than usual
He must have had a storming first 60 mins as in the last 20 (all I caught – massive hangover) he was dire. I think we need to stop using that tame euphemism of ‘interpretation’ and be more honest about it – NH refs apply more of the laws of the game and that doesn’t suit SH play – and vice versa of course. I’m not as angry with Honiss as Tamerlin got as I recognise the Wallabies played superbly – but as ever they also played the ref well – tell me I’m wrong Finbar?
As I saw so little of the game I cannot really comment on it a whole. I do agree that French winger is a real talent – I’d like to see more of him.
Finny got red carded? I think perhaps you get to a stage where the ref judges the man not the offence? In other words his history of red mist play means he didn’t get the benefit of the doubt Saturday perhaps? Just a thought. He perhaps needs to take a long look at himself and smarten up – if he cuts the odd bit of silliness he is a terrific player as you affirm Finbar.
Still, I'm happy with the Wallaby progress.
There is a massive test waiting for them after the tri-nations of course. Or a big test for us, I’m not sure which is more accurate.
I feel for France though – from the bit I saw they played with real heart. Given that in the next six nations their only big match is at Twickers their build up for RWC is a tough one now.
And heh – result, 123rd place for the English lads is something to build on?
I'm betting the French will go a long, long way in the World Cup
Actually, despite being in Australia, RWC 03 is perhaps the widest open ever? Personally I expect an England-France final. Well okay maybe not expect – but hope springs eternal?
It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt
Quite literally possibly - he has a bit of history with some of the England team – so in a way I’d like to see him take the field (also because I still think Larkham is a class or ten above him despite how well he has come on since going home)
I wouldn't argue that he's in Larkham's class. No one would. But he has become very good at what he does.
He must have had a storming first 60 mins as in the last 20 (all I caught – massive hangover) he was dire. I think we need to stop using that tame euphemism of ‘interpretation’ and be more honest about it – NH refs apply more of the laws of the game and that doesn’t suit SH play – and vice versa of course. I’m not as angry with Honiss as Tamerlin got as I recognise the Wallabies played superbly – but as ever they also played the ref well – tell me I’m wrong Finbar?
"Interpretation" is a suitable word, I think. What was your problem with the ref? Can you give me some specifics? I don't know whether it's a case of "playing the ref" - they play the way SH teams play, and the way SH refs referee. I don't know what else they can do.
Finny got red carded? I think perhaps you get to a stage where the ref judges the man not the offence? In other words his history of red mist play means he didn’t get the benefit of the doubt Saturday perhaps? Just a thought. He perhaps needs to take a long look at himself and smarten up – if he cuts the odd bit of silliness he is a terrific player as you affirm Finbar.
It might have been reputation that saw him carded. I think it might also have been the fact that the ref was - from memory - behind the incident. He didn't see the immediate lead-up to what happened. It even looked uglier than it was to the naked eye. In fact, Finnegan had a top game doing a lot of hard work.
There is a massive test waiting for them after the tri-nations of course. Or a big test for us, I’m not sure which is more accurate.
Both.
I feel for France though – from the bit I saw they played with real heart. Given that in the next six nations their only big match is at Twickers their build up for RWC is a tough one now.
They played their hearts out. I just thought the Wallaby structure and discipline defeated them. Give them a sniff, though, and they will slice you to pieces. These two Tests were my first close look at them since the last WC. They've certainly improved. A hell of a lot!
Actually, despite being in Australia, RWC 03 is perhaps the widest open ever? Personally I expect an England-France final. Well okay maybe not expect – but hope springs eternal?
I would be appalled if you thought - or hoped - otherwise!
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
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