The OFFICIAL United States Presidential Election Thread! III

[Drake Tungsten]

Originally posted by Ramo

What common wisdom? I stopped paying serious attention to the polls weeks ago exactly because there was no common wisdom...

Everything pointed to a Kerry victory, in theory. Incumbent rule, voter turnout, etc. etc. It all turned out to be wrong.

You need to step outside the cocoon, Ramo. I read plenty of analysis before the election, from both the left and the right, and I never detected the "common wisdom" you're talking about. In fact, I found most of your analysis here to be laughably optimistic...

[Ned]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Well, even given the increase in population, Clinton never managed to gain more votes than Nixon's previous record in 72, let alone Ronald Reagan.

Another interesting thing to note, is that Democrats have not held this record since LBJ in 64. None of the Democrat wins represented highwater marks of the popular vote.

So what is this myth that higher turnout benefits Democrats?

Because there are more registered Dems?

But even that has changed over the years as the Republicans now have rough parity in numbers.

But, Republicans seem also to vote in higher percentages than Dems. No one has to go beg a Republican voter to register and vote.

[Ben Kenobi]

Not yet.

I still want to run the numbers on what if Kerry got Gore's numbers in 2000 adjusted for the increase in population.

I wonder if I would have won, if Bush got his increased turnout, and Kerry didn't.

[alva]

No one has to go beg a Republican voter to register and vote.

True, and very sad, but the issues are never that 'close' to them either, such as for example gay-marriage.
That's something, if you're against it , that will feel alot stronger about than when you're in the pro/neutral camp.

[JimmyCracksCorn]

Wow, I can't tell you how proud I feel to be American now

[Drake Tungsten]

Well, I guess it's time for me to go to bed now that Kerry will concede. Later...

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by Ramo

Actually, Hillary is more right-wing than Obama. Dunno if he'd have the experience though (he wouldn't even have a full Senate term), but he'd definitely be a candidate in 8 or 12 years. And I don't think he'd bail on his constituents. I'm hoping for Feingold, personally.

The DNC will be seriously be assaulted by the grass roots, though. McAuliffe will get the **** beaten out of him.

I dunno if Hillary is more right wing or not since I know very little about Obama. I just doubt that she can take any of the states that just voted (overwhelmingly) for Bush. So it would be the same dem mistake all over again.

[Sava]

America had a clear choice between evil and not-so evil... it chose pure evil.

Congratulations righties... you have your moron in office for another 4 years. Let's see how much more of a failure he will be. I wonder if there will be another terror attack... or how much worse will things get for the middle class.

At least now the Democratic Party can clean house. Get rid of the Clintonians. Kerry is a failure... he couldn't even beat Dubya the moron.

[alva]

Kerry is a failure... he couldn't even beat Dubya the moron.

Says more about the US than about Kerry IMO.
In just ANY other country in the world he would would have won.

[JimmyCracksCorn]

Originally posted by Sava
America had a clear choice between evil and not-so evil... it chose pure evil.

Congratulations righties... you have your moron in office for another 4 years. Let's see how much more of a failure he will be. I wonder if there will be another terror attack... or how much worse will things get for the middle class.

At least now the Democratic Party can clean house. Get rid of the Clintonians. Kerry is a failure... he couldn't even beat Dubya the moron.

Why did Kerry give up so soon? He theoretically could have won Ohio still... I don't get it.

Well, with the new mandate Bush is going to go hog wild in Iraq... the best thing we can hope for at this point is a complete failure. Maybe then he'll get impeached or something, or resign who knows.

[MalevolentLight]

America had a clear choice between evil and not-so evil... it chose pure evil.

Congratulations righties... you have your moron in office for another 4 years. Let's see how much more of a failure he will be. I wonder if there will be another terror attack... or how much worse will things get for the middle class.

At least now the Democratic Party can clean house. Get rid of the Clintonians. Kerry is a failure... he couldn't even beat Dubya the moron.

I'm really glad people like you exist sava. You are a perfect example to all of what the left really is. You prove once and for all that liberals have no substance other than to repeat the same catch phrases and lines over and over. Here's two thumbs up for helping us win the election. My thanks to Sava and people like sava everywhere.

[Sava]

nah he ain't worth it

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Ramo

And which way do you predict it to go? A shift to the left or back to the right? Personally, I think if the dems are smart they'll forget about Hilary in 08 and look for a centrist who will have a chance to take a few southern states. It'll be too soon for Obama, otherwise I'd say he's a shoe-in for the nomination.

Actually, Hillary is more right-wing than Obama. Dunno if he'd have the experience though (he wouldn't even have a full Senate term), but he'd definitely be a candidate in 8 or 12 years. And I don't think he'd bail on his constituents. I'm hoping for Feingold, personally.

The DNC will be seriously be assaulted by the grass roots, though. McAuliffe will get the **** beaten out of him.

Hillary may be more centrist issue by issue than Obama (im not sure really) but I fear a whole range of past associations make it hard for her to appeal to cultural conservatives in the red states. I think Obama may have more potential. Personally I like Ed Rendell (who has the advantage of being a governor, not a Senator), but I think no Jew (other than maybe a left wing one) is viable while the WOT is underway, which it may well be in 2008.

IF the WOT is still a big factor in 2008, Bob Graham may be the best shot - has been a governor, from Florida, and matches the "dem must be a southerner" criteria, even if little appeal in most southern states.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Since Rehnquist's a reactionary, his leaving his post won't matter much, except to see Scalia heading the Court.

It will have an impact as GWB has a tendency to nominate some very partisan people. I like to think judges should be non-partisan but I guess that's just wishful thinking.

Specifically, dealing with Rehnquist who ever replaces him will likely be on the bench for 25-50 years so it is a major blow. I believe four more justices are in their 80's and a likely to retire so this could be the end of America as a pro-choice country.

[MalevolentLight]

Says more about the US than about Kerry IMO.
In just ANY other country in the world he would would have won.

Says alot about the world too. Thanks for helping us win the election with all your endorsements of Kerry.