A Question for the Religious Types

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Agathon
*Agathon wonders why LOTM insists on turning every single thread he participates in into a lecture about Judaism*

only the religious threads

Cause i get kinda tired of disputes about "religion" in which it is assumed that religion = christianity. Why does everyone else turn such threads into lectures on christianity, or secularism or whatever? Maybe y'all might actually learn about something you dont already know about.

[Ben Kenobi]

LoTM:

Well said, we do need to be reminded that 'religious' need not equate with Christianity.

Asher:

If you are religious, and if you believe that homosexuality is either a sin, not natural, or immoral:

1) Do you recognize that most homosexuals are deeply offended by that?

Yes, I do.

2) Do you care?

Everyone who sins hates being told that what they do is sinful. As Christians, one of our tasks is to call out to people the necessity of repentence. In order to do this, one must first expose sin.

3) If you believe that homosexuals are okay, but homosexual sex is a sin -- can you please explain the logic behind that...

Love the sinner, hate the sin.

Our identity is not equated with our sexual preferences. Since it is possible for a person to change their preferences, it is also possible for a person to repent or to turn away from sin.

Now, this does not just apply to homosexuality, but to all forms of sin. What you have to remember is that this is the way God looks at people. God loves each and every one of us even when we sin. I'm reminded of CS Lewis when he says that we love God because God loved us first. Since Christians are supposed to emulate God, this is how we must see the people who we consider 'sinners'

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Love the sinner, hate the sin.

When this is applied towards avowed homosexuals, why does it sound to me, like it's patronizing/paternal, as well as ignorant?

[chequita guevara]

Not all Xians are ignorant bastards. I wasn't. There's nothing wrong with homosexuality. The problem is the [i]evil[i] religious types, who unfortunately, are very numerous.

[Az]

or perhaps, were designed genetically to prefer other kids.

strike that out from the last post of mine.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


only the religious threads

Cause i get kinda tired of disputes about "religion" in which it is assumed that religion = christianity. Why does everyone else turn such threads into lectures on christianity, or secularism or whatever? Maybe y'all might actually learn about something you dont already know about.

Y'all the same to me , boy.

[Ben Kenobi]

When this is applied towards avowed homosexuals, why does it sound to me, like it's patronizing/paternal, as well as ignorant?

Eh, if you're going to flame, do so openly. Don't skulk around in the shadows.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Eh, if you're going to flame, do so openly. Don't skulk around in the shadows.

I'm not sneaking around -- why do you think I posted?



I would not be surprised if you and Park Avenue lust after one another.

[Japher]

People fear what they don't understand, and since many ppl don't understand homosexuals they will fear them. When fear takes hold everything begins to look weird. Shadows take the forms of ghosts, trees the form of witches, and words in religious text as words against those they fear...

People just need to let people live there life as those people see fit... as long as they arn't hurting someone else.

People are Strange
When they are Strangers

I miss Jim

[Az]

Originally posted by MrFun
I would not be surprised if you and Park Avenue lust after one another.

[Japher]

Ben! This is a flame, just so you don' t think I am sneaking around!

Things That Would Be Different If The 12 Disciples Were Gay


1. The "Sermon on the Mount" would be a musical.

2. Jesus would never wear white after Labour Day.

3. Priests would get married... wait a minute... never mind.

4. The Gospels would be Matthew, Mark, Luke and Bruce.

5. Mary's hair would be FLAWLESS.

6. The Temple would not have been cleansed of money changers, just re-decorated.

7. The water at the Wedding Feast of Canaan would have turned into dry martinis with just a splash of Curacao for colour.

8. The Triumphal Entry just screams for a drag number.

9. Replace the "Beatitudes" with "Fabulous are they..."

10. The Last Supper would have been a brunch.

[SlowwHand]

Re: A Question for the Religious Types

Originally posted by Asher
Since Imran got the other thread deleted after a rather embarassing brainfart for him, I thought we'd try this again, toned down.

If you are religious, and if you believe that homosexuality is either a sin, not natural, or immoral:

1) Do you recognize that most homosexuals are deeply offended by that?
2) Do you care?

Also, for those to which this applies:
3) If you believe that homosexuals are okay, but homosexual sex is a sin -- can you please explain the logic behind that...

I'm a Christian.

From all I've been able to ascertain, Gay isn't a choice one makes, it's a recognition.
Something to do with gene makeup, I think.

That said, I've nothing against Gays, as a whole.
I've nothing against Gay relations, as a whole.

What I do have a problem with is Gays taking their sexual encounters "public"
But before any of you Gay people get all hopped up, the same goes for Straights.
I'm not a big fan of excessive public displays of affection.

I don't think Gays are condemned to Hell.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
As Christians, one of our tasks is to call out to people the necessity of repentence. In order to do this, one must first expose sin.

As it occured to you, as Christians, that perhaps not everybody believes in the same wishywashy Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, God crap that you do? That we might find it offensive, downright annoying, and extremely condescending of you to call out to everyone to repent because some ancient book, interpreted in some ancient and twisted way, says what they do is wrong.

It's their life, not yours, so stay out of it.