Team Info and Contacts - PAL

[mostly-harmless]

What Dreylin said.

mh

[T-hawk]

PAL likes being direct, why not just say what we mean? "We are targeting Gunpowder next and will not attempt Liberalism until after that."

[sunrise089]

Why tip our hand re: Gunpowder?

@Dreylin - I think "immediately" is too ambiguous. Does it mean we won't head towards Lib this turn but will next turn?

[Sullla]

Should we maybe try to get something extra out of PAL? I mean, Engineering is more expensive to research than Philosophy, AND we're promising not to go after Liberalism on top of that?!

I'm OK with the deal as proposed, but it's exceptionally generous to PAL, and they don't exactly the need the help.

[Dreylin]

@sunrise - yeah I know, but since we're expecting them to want to negotiate on this one, we may as well start with something nebulous and work down to brass tacks than actually start at an offer we like and then have them want more.

If we think a straight swap is too generous, maybe we could phrase it instead as:

[QUOTE]We will have Engineering soon, and would like to work out a trade for Phil./QUOTE]
or something similar.

[sooooo]

I like the way Swiss Pauli phrased it. I forgot about the beaker difference, so we should include a "coupon" like we did before.

A final draft?

Hi Cres,

Judging by the lack of feedback on our 'shared Liberalism' proposal it seems you are not interested. That is fair enough. We are still interested in philosophy though and we suspect that you are holding it back because it is a pre-requisite for liberalism (a perfectly understandable approach!). Thus we propose the following deal: we trade engineering (due in 2 turns) for philosophy and a 286 beaker coupon (give or take ) and we will not pursue liberalism. We have other priorities than Liberalism, so we see this deal as a win-win.

We look forward to your feedback.

Cheers,

Realms Beyond

[Zeviz]

What if we ask for "about 200$ to make up the difference"? Since we have currency, we no longer need these "coupons". And I'd say "we will not pursue Liberalism for the next 50 turns" to make sure they don't sandbag too much.

[Zeviz]

Doublepost

[Swiss Pauli]

We owe PAL a few beakers from the CS trade (where they let us swap HBR for Drama) so maybe we round down to 200 beakers to look like honest, nice guys who won't go and double cross them

[sooooo]

200 gold in cash is a lot different to a beaker coupon. Imagine if Banana ask for 1000 gold in cash. We'd say no way! Easier to make it up in a future trade.

Need to send something this turn. Everyone is suggesting something slightly different for the liberalism clause, this may be a case where we don't get exact consensus.

[Zeviz]

If you ask for a 200 beaker coupon instead of a cash payment, we need at least some time limit on Liberalism. Either "near future" or "next 50 turns" sounds good to me, but I don't want to give them free reign to sandbag it.

[sooooo]

Right, I added the bit about in the near future.

Hi Cres,

Judging by the lack of feedback on our 'shared Liberalism' proposal it seems you are not interested. That is fair enough. We are still interested in philosophy though and we suspect that you are holding it back because it is a pre-requisite for liberalism (a perfectly understandable approach!). Thus we propose the following deal: we trade engineering (due in 2 turns) for philosophy and a 200 beaker coupon (give or take ) and we will not pursue liberalism in the near future. We have other priorities than Liberalism, so we see this deal as a win-win.

We look forward to your feedback.

Cheers,

Realms Beyond

[Swiss Pauli]

Let's send the version in post #822.

[Dreylin]

I like it.

[sunrise089]

I'm cool with it.