Imperialism 1870 v2.0 PBEM

[conmcb25]

Originally posted by germanos
Con: The Ctrl-N thing is related to shipssinking offshore (the old 'trireme'-factor) and to airplanes running out of fuel.
If you move your 'triremes' or air planes for any amount of space, but not their full movement allowance, then press Ctrl-n, your ships will not sink, nor will your planes run out of fuel. Very usefull method, but not really the way it should be


Techs can be traded fully. (The USA has promised togive the Republic toal civ's. Japan is the only one without it so far...)

Ship chaining is not allowed (so all ships can ONLY pickup cargo in ports!!!)

Reloading is not allowed.


while I'm at it:
I would like unit-gifting to be restricted to online meetings only, or the use of CivDip 3.0.
Giving units to an AI should not be allowed (because of the teleportation of units that would occur) please vote on this

OK I got it, thanks for explaining it Germanos, I know what everyone is talking about and I agree on the ctrl-n thing to "freeze" units so you dont lose them. On your last issue I guess I vote yes. Although I dont feel strongly about it.

[Zedd]

OK, from one perspective you could say that it's not cheeting, but bug in the game. Similar to ship chaining and caravan re-homing. However like these you have to evaluate the effect on the game to see if it is reasonable to think it could be used. I asked in this forum (IIRC ) if ship chaining could be used, I did not assume it could, specificly becouse it could be an advantage in battle or trade. In a PBEM, using bugs like this without a clear group opinion should be frowned on and IMO it should be assumed that they are NOT allowed unless otherwise stated.


finnished running my mouth now, I'm still up for an alliance. although I don't know what the terms were and would like to review those.

[Zedd]

OH YEA, WELCOME KOBRA!


I think civdip should suffice for any type of trading, but keep in mind that it takes 2 turns to gift a unit.

TURN 1
Giver move unit in poisiton, creates barter file and e-mails it to the Recipient.
Recipient opens the barter file and accepts the trade, then gifts the same unit to him/her self.
(automaticly done by civdip)

Turn 2
Recipient takes control of the unit.

[Eivind IV]

When did ship chaining become a bug and a cheat? What's so unrealisitc about it? An airplane flying forever to avoid carriers and iron clads crossing the atlantic is unrealistic. Not only unrealistic, but virtually impossible in real life.

Originally posted by conmcb25


And Zedd and Kobra will have to decide if this alliance stands.

Its kind of funny really because I joined this game to play on the same side for a change with tweo of my favorite players Darius and PinkyGen, and they both dropped out. Im willing to uphold this alliance if Zedd and Kobra agree, please let me know

You needn't worry. Zedd and I can become your new favorite players

I'm all up for the alliance.


bump to the next player, whoever that is...

[germanos]

Originally posted by Kobra
When did ship chaining become a bug and a cheat? What's so unrealisitc about it? An airplane flying forever to avoid carriers and iron clads crossing the atlantic is unrealistic. Not only unrealistic, but virtually impossible in real life.

As Zedd said, he brought it up when he joined the game (initially as a sub for Yaroslav/United Kingdom). You can read the discussion on it, just a few pages back.

Majority vote has ruled against shipchaining.


Players order:
Conmcb: Russia
Germanos: Japan
Zedd: France (was: PinkyGen)
JamesJKirk: Germany
Kobra: USA (was: Darius)
Yaroslav: UK (was: Academia (for one turn or so ))

[Zedd]

Originally posted by Kobra
When did ship chaining become a bug and a cheat? What's so unrealisitc about it? An airplane flying forever to avoid carriers and iron clads crossing the atlantic is unrealistic. Not only unrealistic, but virtually impossible in real life.

Not a cheat, but a bug YES.

When you think about it the MP represents movement in the alotted time (months or years depending on the turn)

Ok, maybe I'm not the best to explain it, try this:
You leave New York headed for Jamaica on an ocean liner.
The trip takes 5 days.
You leave on April 26th and arrive in Jamaica....?April 26th? Then you take another ocean liner to Aruba, once again a 5 day trip. You arrive in Aruba.......?April 26th???

I know the time zones can affect travel, but thats Nuts.

[Zedd]

some one should make the KC-97 refueling plane for civ.

[JamesJKirk]

To answer germanos' question, I'm for continuing this game, the first turns are horribly tedious, and we haven't done much that's not reversable anyhow at this point. Also, "only" two players have quit, if I'm not mistaken, since yaro came back after only a turn or two.

Also, welcome aboard Kobra, I look forward to good relations between our great nations.

And, in case you didn't know, it's your turn Zedd

[germanos]

Originally posted by Zedd


I think civdip should suffice for any type of trading, but keep in mind that it takes 2 turns to gift a unit.

This is to prevent double movement of a unit in one turn. For example: I give a unit( let's say a transport with Mfg.Goods ) to France (after I have sailed 11 squares), France moves the unit also 11 squares, and gives it back to me.
22 squares moved in one turn...
Obviously, we should agree that when receiving a unit via online trading, the receiving player should be required to let the unit rest as well.


@Kirk: I feel fine with continuing thegame as it is.

[Zedd]

Originally posted by JamesJKirk
And, in case you didn't know, it's your turn Zedd

Missed that, Thanks
DL and play tonight.


BTW

JameKirk,
Did the civdip file I sent work, or do I create a new one?

[JamesJKirk]

I guess I won't find out until I play, but you can create a new one using the save you make to be safe I guess once you play your turn

[Zedd]

Got up late for work this morning and forgot the save file. will try to upload tonight. sorry for the disruption.

[conmcb25]

Originally posted by Zedd
Got up late for work this morning and forgot the save file. will try to upload tonight. sorry for the disruption.

Hey just as long as you keep us informed, Im a happy guy.

I actually have hope for this PBEM, and thats not something I have had for a CIV2 PBEM in a long time.

[Zedd]

It seems some discontent has occured in the outlying cities of our little republic, reports speak of workers leaving the fields, Soldiers being killed by rioters, and a group of farmers eaten by some unsavory jungle creatures. Many Scientists turned in thier resignations and a few decided to try thier luck in show biz.

Meanwhile, relations with Germany have been strengthened while also upholding our agreement with the USA and Russia to spread republicanism to the entire world. A Scientist has been dispatched to Berlin to impart this knowledge.

[germanos]

Can somebody get Japan to the Republican club as well?