"A History of the World XII" Planning/Sign-Up Thread...

[deity]

Why don't we test today on a advanced start using the Civ 4 HUGE Earth map just to see if we can handle it technically.

If so I'd love an ozzy version of that!

But the Civ 4 map itself is uselessly over resources.

An ozzy map will be much better.

[deity]

Originally posted by LzPrst
quickvote! everyone who says we separate the new world and the old world with ocean say AYE!

AYE

Large Earth Map implies this anyway?

[Heraclitus]

AYE

[Heraclitus]

Ideas for a large map

Originally posted by OzzyKP
Two in Europe would be perfect. You need to take a look at the map, it isn't as big as you are thinking. If I push Russia's start further east then they'd be fine in addition to two others in Europe. But it all depends on how many players we get and what people decide on the questions of settling the Americas.

Here are a few possibilities off the top of my head:

I. Eurasian civs
Push Russia more to the east
Push Mongolia more to the west

II.China is a big place
Push China more south
Move the Koreans more to the W allowing them to expand into the NE (remove some tundra over there or add lots of sea resources) and snatch some territory from China. If Mongolia has been moved this would work perfectly.

III. India Did nobody choose it?

IV. Africa
I think it could fit three civs (if one of them was a mediteranean one, perhaps Chartage or Egypt?)
Ethiopia could work too if there was no Egypt and it started in Sudan

V. ME ME One civ, that interacts with
India, Egyt/Chartage, Europe and the Mongols. What splendid fun!


VI. Europe 2 civs like you said. But a third one may be possible

-perhaps if you spice up Britain, there might be room for an island civ
-or Scandinavia for Vikings since they can expand into a empty britain or the east
-The Portuguese or the Dutch would certainly go for colonies in the later game (but they have to survive, perhaps making them start on a plains hill?) and if there are no brits, the Islands are ripe for the taking for an enrapturing nautical civ.
-the Greeks, if the ME are Persian, just push the Persians more to the east perhaps very very near India?

-A good city site in Iceland and a decent one in Greenland, reachable immediately would help northern civs as well as point them to the New World

[Heraclitus]

An extreme configuration of the above list would allow 12 Old world civs in this manner. When balancing which civs can become colonial powers is very important:

most likely
1. Western Europe, China, Japan, Mali
2. Zulu, Charatage
3. India, Ethiopia, Korea, Germany
4. Greece, Rome, Egypt, Russia, Persia
5. other
least likley

Land bridges and presence of other civs affect this greatly. People are very likely to go for the New world.


Let’s make four shallow bridges: The pacific isles go to south America, Bering strait, central Atlantic and the Greenland path. But only have two in the game at Ozzys he could use them for balance purposes and it would encourage early galey building.


I’m otherwise opposed to having shallows connecting to the New World. I’d only accept a way via Greenland but with a twist, you have to build a city there to get to the new world. It would be a decent start with sea recourses and perhaps a plain hill, but no forests just a bit of tundra and then ice.

[Heraclitus]

Ok, Ozzy to make your life a bit easier, If any of these ideas are ok, but can't work because of civs people choose, post a list of welcome civs list and a non grata civs list. People who see their civ is on the non grata list can either be selfish and do nothing , or if any of the welcome ones stirkes their fancy they can PM Cyber with a fourth choice from that list.

I know I'd be willing to do so, and ther would be no way to know who did PM and who didn't protecting their anonimity.

[deity]

Do we know what civs are selected yet?

I think early sea voyage to Iceland might not be conducive to early diplomacy?

[Heraclitus]

I'd better go to sleep, or I'll oversleep tommorows (today's) connectivity test, I sent a PM to Toni and our glorius chairman because of the poly glitch.

[deity]

We need host inc today.

I'd be happy to do it with excellent ADSL and perfect port settings BUT I live in the Aussie bush and prone to blackouts etc.

I think a good USA host might be the way to go.

I think for todays test we should host ahead of time and test anonymity on thje Large Civ 4 Earth map and/or on ozzy's (TOO) small current map.

Just pick random or any old civ.

lz?

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by deity
Do we know what civs are selected yet?

I think early sea voyage to Iceland might not be conducive to early diplomacy?

It would be good for story telling and trust me Europe will still be crowded with two continetal civs and a Eurasian Russia.

Perhaps you could PM me with an email addres and I'll mail my contact info or have you relinquished your title?

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Pinchak


It is?

I vote that only people who have researched the tech can trade it, it seem reasonable middle ground, since not tech trading will be a bummer on diplomacy.

If at all possible I’d have no restrictions, but this may not be a good idea for multiplayer.

[Toni]

I disagree with you Heraclitus:

We agreed to place the civs in their historical locations now all that moving around civs to open more space to some others to expand – breaks away from what really happened historically

[The Capo]

I personally do not understand why we aren't allowing Civs with starts in locations like the Americas, Australia, or anywhere a player wants really. I don't understand the limitation here. We tried Terra before, why can't we just play on Earth with starts everywhere? We haven't really done that in a while.

I think it limits our options for no reason.

[deity]

Originally posted by Toni
I disagree with you Heraclitus:

We agreed to place the civs in their historical locations now all that moving around civs to open more space to some others to expand – breaks away from what really happened historically

I totally agree with Toni here.

We may as well play Terra map if we are not using Earth historically - pointless otherwise.

But I'm happy, we've got anon play so I'll go along with the majority on this.

It just seems there's too much voting about every point. A vote for Earth map IS a vote for HISTORY OF THE WORLD IMHO.

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Let's let lz read the points and at close of next week (OR TONIGHT) LZ DECIDES for us as Chairman.

[deity]

Or sooner if it effects ozzy's mapping.