NFL - Are You Ready For Some Football?! - The Offseason

[Ben Kenobi]

Era adjusted

2.200 -- min vikings  1969
2.130 -- lan rams     1975
2.005 -- bal ravens   2000
1.992 -- bal colts    1968
1.950 -- min vikings  1971
1.947 -- pit steelers 1976
1.936 -- bal colts    1971
1.890 -- min vikings  1970
1.864 -- gby packers  1966
1.825 -- kcy chiefs   1968
1.820 -- mia dolphins 1973
1.780 -- pit steelers 1975
1.769 -- tam bucs     2002
1.753 -- chi bears    1986
1.747 -- atl falcons  1977
1.740 -- chi bears    1985
1.731 -- ten titans   2000
1.676 -- kcy chiefs   1969
1.662 -- mia dolphins 1972
1.646 -- lan rams     1977
1.625 -- min vikings  1973
1.624 -- den broncos  1977
1.624 -- pit steelers 1972
1.600 -- cle browns   1994
1.560 -- oak raiders  1973
1.557 -- mia dolphins 1971

Just how good was that Vikings defense from 1969-1971? 3 of the top 10 defensive teams.

[Ben Kenobi]

L 1-1 @ Washington Redskins   6 10 
L 3-2 @ Buffalo Bills         0  3 
L 4-3   Minnesota Vikings     7 14 
L 4-4   San Francisco 49ers   3 10  
L 5-5 @ New Orleans Saints   20 21 
L 6-6   New England Patriots 10 16 
L 6-7 @ Los Angeles Rams      7 23

As for that poor Falcon's team, they were expected to go 10-4, but were snakebitten. Losses of 4,3,7,7,1,6 and then finally, 16.

One of the biggest differentials ever, at -2.5

[Imran Siddiqui]

Purple People Eaters

[-Jrabbit]

That was an amazing defense, vicious and talented. I saw a lot of it.

I remain amazed that they managed to avoid winning any Super Bowls. (OK, there's always the Joe Kapp issue, being a great example of someone who excelled in Canada but couldn't cut it in the NFL. Great leader, poor passer. But I digress...)

[SlowwHand]

Kapp threw off the wrong foot. It seemed like his standard form.

[OzzyKP]

So of the 25 best defenses, only 8 of them won Super Bowls. Does this call into question the adage that defense wins games?

[Lord Avalon]

SB VIII Dolphins 24, s 7

Larry Csonka, MVP, rushed for a record 146 yds.

s lost the next year to the Steelers, 16-6. Franco Harris, MVP, rushed for record 158 yds.

In SB XI s were crushed by the Raiders, 32-14, giving up a record 429 yds of offense (record 288 in the first half).

Purple People Eaters didn't stand up so well against the AFC.

SB IV, in pre-football memory time, Chiefs 23, s 7. Held them to 3 FGs early, but gave up a TD before the half, and a TD in the 3rd. Len Dawson MVP, 12-17 for 142 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT. Amazing.

[Lord Avalon]

So of the 25 best defenses, only 8 of them won Super Bowls. Does this call into question the adage that defense wins games?

The adage is that defense wins championships. And just because the SB winners didn't always have the best D that year, doesn't mean that they weren't very good.

[Grandpa Troll]

The adage is that defense wins championships. And just because the SB winners didn't always have the best D that year, doesn't mean that they weren't very good.

See, I gotta agree, this is almost not the same agrument that Ben Kenobi uses to blindly,blatantly and Babylon-esquely defend the great football team last year that didnt make it to the Super Bowl, those crazy California kids, San Diego Chargers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Zopperoni]

Plus, it's often about only having a better defense than your SB opponent

[Ben Kenobi]

See, I gotta agree, this is almost not the same agrument that Ben Kenobi uses to blindly,blatantly and Babylon-esquely defend the great football team last year that didnt make it to the Super Bowl, those crazy California kids, San Diego Chargers

That defense was unnecessary? No, I think I've argued just the opposite. As good as their offense, they needed their defense to step up like the Colts'.

[Grandpa Troll]

That defense was unnecessary? No, I think I've argued just the opposite. As good as their offense, they needed their defense to step up like the Colts'.

My point Ben, humor still in mind, was your hollowed arguement of which you and no one else I have seen here, state San Diego Chargers were the second best team in football.

For the record, i am an N C Stae Wolfpack fan, watched Chuck Amato coach Rivers through his college cvareer at raleigh, so i am fan, not a fanboy of Phillip Rivers.

I joke with you because i like you, your a nice fella, just wildly insanely and misguided in your Man-Love of those San Diego Chargers.

Just having some fun old friend, fun, nothing more

[Ben Kenobi]

That I did say.

I only wish they had beaten the Steelers and made it to the big game.

[Grandpa Troll]

That I did say.

I only wish they had beaten the Steelers and made it to the big game.

Me too

For it would have much more enjoyable to poke those folks here in the ribs about picking on you than having to rib my friend and Brother Ben Kenobi

I do hope San Diego comes big next year, more fodder to combat those that would oppress your foosball knowledge my good man!

[Imran Siddiqui]

ESPN is reporting that the COWBOYS HAVE CUT T.O.!!