Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Berzerker]

Uhhhh... they tried to stop the legal transfer of power. That was an attempted coup. FACT.

They protested certification and it turned into a riot... Somehow. Amazingly a handful of 'seditionists' were able to weave their way thru a crowd of govt assets numbering in the hundreds to foil the mighty United States... and it worked. These guys successfully stopped the legal transfer of power. Not sure if they really stopped anything, they had to forgo a ceremony but I thought it was a symbolic gesture by that point. I wonder if those govt assets are getting punished or rewarded for their inability to stop a half dozen Oathkeepers from pissing on Biden's parade.

People rioted at Trump's inaugural and BLM spent months rioting across the country before the election, Jan 6 is the proverbial gnat in comparison. Other than the riot delaying certification (if that) the 'coup' appeared to be a legal means of challenging the results by getting a few states to investigate their elections before re-certification. It was self serving like when Gore wanted a recount in Florida counties with more Democrats. Maidan rioters trying to oust the leader didn't commit the coup in 2014, the snipers and backers of the massacre of police and protesters were responsible for that.

[BeBMan]

Nice little Perun video

I'm sure Russia intercepted them. After all they managed to hit HIMARS hidden on the second floor of some building

[Dinner]

Nice little Perun video

Yep, I watch him every Sunday.

[Berzerker]

In hindsight an organized failed coup can be much harder to prove than a successful one. Just because the FBI didn't think they had enough evidence to treat the entire incursion of protestors and rioters as an organized coup does not mean there is a lack of convincing evidence that at least some of them wanted to prevent the transfer of power. Do you really believe the shouts to hang Mike pence weren't driven by opposition to the certification of votes?

​​​​​​Believing the capital incursion 06jan2021 was an attempted (if weakly organized and supported) coup is perfectly reasonable. Hardly "drinking the Kool aid".

Not in this day and age when damn near everything is recorded. Ofc some (all?) wanted to "Stop the Steal". Yes, they were protesting Pence, even had a mock gallows. I think calling it a coup is hyperbole, especially in the face of an actual coup in Ukraine supported by Obama and Biden. You see, I've learned I can depend on Democrats to reveal their sins and crimes by the accusations they make of others. While they were accusing Trump of conspiring with Putin to interfere in our election they were actually working with Ukrainians for years to bring down Trump.

Before Trump asked Zelensky to investigate Biden's connection to Burisma and a fired prosecutor Senate Democrats told Ukraine to investigate Trump over Russiagate. Well, Russiagate was a scam to frame Trump and Obama knew it months before the election and his FBI took those lies to a Fisa court to spy on Trump. That one will be at or near the top of the list of MAGA grievances for Jan 6. Anyway, the forces gathered together to defeat Trump should be alarming. People who wanted this war are in charge and do not want it to stop.

[Dinner]

You will notice the FBI is still blocking the release of the actual videos of events claiming it would reveal the identity of to many FBI agents and confidential sources. On the record the FBI said they had between 100-200 agents and informants in the house that day. That means a very large percentage of the "insurrectionists" were Feds. Probably most of the instigators were Feds and the video they are hiding would likely prove this. What do you want to bet the people who removed the traffic barriers and opened the doors were Feds?

After the whole set up about Gretchen Witmer where 13 of the supposed 17 "conspirators" were all feds can you really blame anyone for demanding hard evidence?

[Ming]

Somehow. Amazingly a handful of 'seditionists' were able to weave their way thru a crowd of govt assets numbering in the hundreds to foil the mighty United States...

A handful
Weave their way thru a crowd of govt assets

Can I get some of what you are smoking

[pchang]

I would be careful. Extreme paranoia appears to be a major side effect.

[Berzerker]

compare the number of seditionists to govt assets

[Dauphin]

Many coups merely drive the leader(s) out of office or the country

I think JFK was a coup

Silly definition, any government collapse is a coup by that metric. They happen all the time in parliamentary democracies.

Is it a coup if the electorate drive someone out of office?

[Geronimo]

Didn't you keep invoking little green men to justify Azov shelling the Donbas for 8 years? If Russia was removed entirely from this scenario I'd still be left pondering the question, 'who started it?' Obama did, we either requested a massacre or at the very least embraced the coup and then armed Azov to shell the Donbas for 8 years.

The violence made him flee and informed everyone else in the country they better not complain because the CIA knows who's been naughty or nice. You dont think that violence had coercive effects?

Actually I never conceded that they shelled "the Donbas". I think it's total BS that they were targeting the region like some sort of ww2 bomber Harris campaign. They were indeed attempting to shell and defeat the separatist armed formations.

The question "who started it?" required context. Who started what? inter Ukrainian political conflict? inter Ukrainian violence? Inter Ukrainian armed forces conflict? Russian intervention across the Ukrainian border? I maintain that for everything about the current special operation between Russia and Ukraine that Russia totally and exclusively "started it". Then you go off on some tangent about "coups" and CIA funding of sniper ops against police and protestors as if that is even remotely relevant to Russia invading Crimea in 2014 let alone 2022.

I also totally diasgree that the "violence made him flee" what a bullcrap joke Berz. How many times has Zelensky been forced to flee by Russian violence?​

[BeBMan]

Someone has leaked crucial info about Patriot systems on the intarweb:

[Berzerker]

You will notice the FBI is still blocking the release of the actual videos of events claiming it would reveal the identity of to many FBI agents and confidential sources. On the record the FBI said they had between 100-200 agents and informants in the house that day. That means a very large percentage of the "insurrectionists" were Feds. Probably most of the instigators were Feds and the video they are hiding would likely prove this. What do you want to bet the people who removed the traffic barriers and opened the doors were Feds?

After the whole set up about Gretchen Witmer where 13 of the supposed 17 "conspirators" were all feds can you really blame anyone for demanding hard evidence?

I can understand the feds wanting to protect the identities of their undercover people but I saw video on TV/internet of capital cops guarding a locked door ushered away by 2 men dressed like protesters. Those guys were not MAGA, they were fed assets opening the door and inviting people in. The Democrats and security state wanted a riot to further attack Trump. Now that takes hutzpah after supporting hundreds of riots before the election to hurt Trump.

BLM 500 > MAGA 1

Camel > gnat

Secret Service had 100-200 but much of that was tied to protecting Trump at his rally, not sure how active they were at the capital. Jan 6 was a scaled up version of the Whitmer fraud, that too was meant to damage Trump. The FBI and security state is rotten to the core and the people responsible get jobs at news stations telling us what to believe.

[Berzerker]

A handful
Weave their way thru a crowd of govt assets

Can I get some of what you are smoking

We get to compare the number of people convicted of 'sedition' to the number of govt assets at the scene of the crime. So far it looks like a half dozen 'criminals' and hundreds of assets. What were all those defenders of our democracy doing while these enemies of righteousness stole our democracy? They opened doors for them.
The one-eyed guy who just got 18 years never even went inside. Something is seriously wrong with our judicial system, but what should we expect after 16 years and Bush and Obama.

[Berzerker]

Silly definition, any government collapse is a coup by that metric. They happen all the time in parliamentary democracies.

Is it a coup if the electorate drive someone out of office?

The definition identifies a small violent group behind the coup

[Ming]

So far it looks like a half dozen 'criminals' and hundreds of assets.

Please provide proof for your hundreds of assets. The majority of the crowd were MAGA.
There is NO PROOF of your Hundreds of government assets.
(and just what the hell is a government asset anyway )

The only real assets there were Trump assets... doing exactly what he told them to do.
They were there because Trump commanded they come... and then commanded them to march on the Capitol.

But I guess in Trump land, the majority of the crowd was liberal assets to make Trump look bad?

[The Mad Monk]

Yes, denazification? So the denazification of Ukraine which we were talking about, we've made Ukraine a nation which everybody knows around the entire world. And, I don't know, it's like the Greeks during the era of Greece's prosperity, like the Romans during the era of...exactly, Ukraine has been legitimized. Ukraine has become a country which is known absolutely everywhere. That's as far as denazification is concerned. Now, as for demilitarization...Painful, yes. If at the start of the special operation they had 500 tanks hypothetically speaking, now they have 5,000 tanks. If 20,000 men were able to fight, now it's 400,000. How have we demilitarized it? It turns out that we've done the opposite.

**** knows how, but we've militarized Ukraine.​

[Thoth]

I'm sure Russia intercepted them. After all they managed to hit HIMARS hidden on the second floor of some building

Russia has been doing an amazing job of intercepting Ukrainian missiles. Almost 100%. .


However I do have to wonder about the cost effectiveness of using oil storage facilities and ammunition depots to intercept missiles.