Who do you tip to win the US presidential election

[Jon Miller]

Do you realize that you just justified Jim Crow?

Bad laws should be changed and were changed. Election results were not thrown out with Presidents ruling by fiat as dictatorial kings.

JM

[Kidlicious]

Pretty incredible that JM actually believes that if we find that the election was stolen that Biden will be impeached by a D House and removed by possibly a D Senate, and the Harris can just be President. He thinks that's acceptable.

[Kidlicious]

Bad laws should be changed and were changed. Election results were not thrown out with Presidents ruling by fiat as dictatorial kings.

JM

But the system is corrupt. The machines are designed for fraud. The system is corrupt. Jim Crow ended because of civil disobedience.

[Kidlicious]

And yes I repeated myself but I don't want to edit.

[Ming]

And Kid keeps yapping away when there has been no proof of the wild claims of massive fraud.
Please provide it to us when you find some...
Because until then, Biden IS THE LEGALLY NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE USA and TRUMP LOST
All your wild BS and other nonsense is just that.

So prove it... And good luck with that since Trump has failed at every turn.

[Jon Miller]

I agree laws need to be changed.

There was actually an attempt to massively impact the election that succeeded. It was done by postmaster general DeJoy and involved the hobbling of the postal service so as to cause mail in ballots to not be counted. The postal service is one of the services that Americans (particularly rural ones) rely on. It was initiated by President Trump.

Dejoy and probably Trump should go to jail for it, and protections need to be put in place so it never happens again.

I remember reading estimates that around 150k ballots were impacted? That were not counted but would have been with a postal service which had not had it's ability to process letters smashed (by an executive who is invested in a competitor). The machines were smashed, there was no financial incentive to the postal service as originally presented.

That surely impacted the vote. And while mail in ballots were predominantly Democratic, some were surely Republican. However, the ballots were spread out and so even if all Republican would be unlikely to flip one state let alone three.

JM

[Jon Miller]

But the system is corrupt. The machines are designed for fraud. The system is corrupt. Jim Crow ended because of civil disobedience.

Jim Crow ended because people voted and power changed according to the rules.

JM

[Jon Miller]

The only time that rules were not followed is when certain states decided that they would secede instead of bowing to the change of the majority.

JM

[Jon Miller]

Pretty incredible that JM actually believes that if we find that the election was stolen that Biden will be impeached by a D House and removed by possibly a D Senate, and the Harris can just be President. He thinks that's acceptable.

Then people will vote out the D House and vote to impeach in 2022.

It is far more acceptable then Ciivl War (or Dictatorship). The two 'alternatives' presented by you and Lancer.

JM

[Ming]

The machines are designed for fraud. The system is corrupt.

Notice we heard none of that when Trump won... but when he losses... all of a sudden the system is corrupt.

[Jon Miller]

And it is pretty clear that with a 7m majority that your position is just insane. It fits a lot more with the South in 1860 then anything else.

The polls, which are the non-rule based way to understand democratic opinion, were even more for Biden than the election results.

JM

[Proteus_MST]

How is that democracy?

AFAIK after the election of Trump in 2016, voter of the GOP and especially Trumpists were the first to tell people that the USA are no democracy but a republic.
As answer to people complaining that with Trump, once again, thanks to the electoral college, someone from the GOP got elected as PotUS against the will of the majority

So ... decide ... either you are a democracy ... then you should take steps to actually have every vote having an equal weight in the election ... or you are no democracy ... then stop complaining that the USA allegedly are missing some of the checks and balances of a democracy.

If we go by "democracy", the majority clearly has decided and voted with more than 7 mio votes more for Joe Biden as PotUS.
It is only the undemocratic installment of the electoral college, which seems to give Trumpists a false hope of getting Trump installed as next PotUS through the backdoor

[Kidlicious]

Jim Crow ended because people voted and power changed according to the rules.

JM

No. People broke the rules. I don't think it matters that it wasn't the establishment that broke the rules or not. You can't just follow the rules because the rules are set up by the corrupt government.

[Jon Miller]

No. People broke the rules. I don't think it matters that it wasn't the establishment that broke the rules or not. You can't just follow the rules because the rules are set up by the corrupt government.

Jim Crow was not ended by people breaking the rules of Democracy.

The rules that were broken were to bring attention but Jim Crow was ended by people who kept within the rules of Democracy.

Breaking the rules of Democracy is a coup or a civil war/revolution. That isn't what happened 50-70 years ago. People voted, politicians acted, change happened. It is much preferable to a coup or civil war/revolution.

JM
(coups have something like a 0% successs rate in actually improving life, revolutions/civil wars have a non-zero success rate, but plenty of failures and are obviously very costly)

[Proteus_MST]

No. People broke the rules. I don't think it matters that it wasn't the establishment that broke the rules or not. You can't just follow the rules because the rules are set up by the corrupt government.

So, what you say is, that the Trump/GOP government is corrupt?

I tend to agree

[Kidlicious]

The only time that rules were not followed is when certain states decided that they would secede instead of bowing to the change of the majority.

JM

No. Rules are not followed all the time. It only requires that the law is not enforced, or you have a corrupt judge make a horrible ruling so that the guilty officials are not held accountable. That is how a corrupt system operates and we are in one now.