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  • Originally posted by Jon Miller View Post
    2016 came across as a reasonable, and sorta expected, polling error.

    2020 is something else. At least in Michigan and Wisconsin. Instead of 54/46 it is 49/49.

    JM
    I think it's too soon to say. The results -> polls as we get more votes counted.
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    • It is not too soon. In 2016 the polls were off by an average of 5 points and in 2020 the polls were off by and average of eight points. In Nevada the polls were off by 11 points. We had similar problems with polls in 2018 so it is fair to say the polling industry has big problems.

      Part of it is some Republicans refuse to tell who they are voting for, part of it is polling companies are over sampling democrats, part of it is companies like yougov only do online polls without anyone with a either a landline or a cellphone, part of it is many use the same self selected respondents over and over, part of it is media companies really are doing push polls designed to make sensational headlines and thus get them the shocking headlines which get them the most clicks and views, part of it is polls are commissioned by political parties and they only release polls which are favorable to that political party. There are tons of reasons why but what is not in dispute is that, as an industry, polling is not any where near accurate at this point.
      Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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      • -Jrabbit
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        Let's not forget about people who deliberately lie to pollsters and surveys.

    • Georgia is about to flip. Less than 2k difference with ~16k remaining to be counted.
      Indifference is Bliss

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      • Oh fugg, if Georgia flips to Biden and Arizona and Nevada flip to Trump it could be 269/269

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        • N35t0r
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          That would fit totally with 2020.

        • dannubis
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          Why the hell are there an even number of electoral votes?

      • If Biden wins Georgia / Arizona / Pennsylvania I think the polls come out okay.
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        • Looks like Biden will win in NV too.
          “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

          ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

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          • Those recent days should fall under the definition of torture. Then again I welcome the fact that it gives Trump plenty of opportunity to throw a tantrum whenever he watches tv (which is probably most of the time).

            Blah

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            • Just as an aside:

              Twitter permanently suspended an account belonging to former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon after he suggested Thursday morning that Dr. Anthony Fauci and FBI Director Christopher Wray should be beheaded. His comments were made in a video posted to his Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter accounts.

              Bannon falsely claimed President Trump had won reelection, despite several key states still being too close to call, and said that he should fire both Fauci and Wray.

              He then said he would go further: "I'd put the heads on pikes. Right. I'd put them at the two corners of the White House as a warning to federal bureaucrats. You either get with the program or you are gone."
              The comments came during a livestream of Bannon's "War Room: Pandemic" online show.

              The video was live on Bannon's Facebook page for about 10 hours Thursday and had been viewed almost 200,000 times before Facebook removed it, citing its violence and incitement policies. CNN has reached out to Bannon for comment.

              (snipsnap)
              full: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/05/t...ion/index.html
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              • Uncle Sparky
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                Trump himself declared that he thought his head should be displayed on Mt. Rushmore. I concur, and would be willing to arrange for a pike.
                (Wasn't Mt. Rushmore the wonder you could build after discovering Fascism in Civ IV?)

            • Look who's leading in Georgia...
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              • Uncle Sparky
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                ...and Nevada
                ...and Arizona

            • And the lead in PA on Wednesday was 600k vot es. 1M extra votes later and that lead all but vanished (19k). That means Biden got ~800k of those 1M.
              There are apparently still ~160k votes to be counted.
              Indifference is Bliss

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              • And boom, PA flipped.
                Indifference is Bliss

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                • And there is nothing suspicios in that, of course! There can't be a fraud in USA by definition.

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                  • N35t0r
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                    Considering the characteristics of mail/absentee ballots in PA (the legislature forced them to be counted last, and dems were promoting them while trump was actively discouraging them) then no, not really.

                    Plus, it's normal for populous urban areas to need more time to handle a vastly superior amount of ballots.


                    I know it's not common in Russia, where you know who won before the election actually happens.

                • Your election system had stuck somewhere in the 19th century.
                  Did you ever heard of computers, ID's, web cameras and the rest of all other things they use in other countries during their elections?

                  You are so f*cking obsolete, America!

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                  • pchang
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                    Sorry about your bonus.

                • No, what's a computer?

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                  • Something you don't use to register your voters.

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