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  • And these videos are wrong time after time, but then there is a new one...

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    • Some of you may recall I said I'd keep my avatar of Trump as long as he was President. Since the transition is taking place, this seems apropos.
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      • Originally posted by Uncle Sparky View Post
        Some of you may recall I said I'd keep my avatar of Trump as long as he was President. Since the transition is taking place, this seems apropos.
        Like the pic of the chic in your avatar...its, somehow d i f f e r e n t... Got to say though, you have counted that chic before it hatched.
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        • Originally posted by Jon Miller View Post
          And these videos are wrong time after time, but then there is a new one...

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          • Texas clearly has no standing to interfere in the elections of other states.

            Everything I read says this is the equivalent of a nuisance suit. The "original jurisdiction" resolution by the Supreme Court was designed to rule on disputes between states (typically over borders, water rights, taxes, etc.) that they can not reach agreement on. And that's certainly not what's happening here. This lawsuit claims to be about voting systems, yet is clearly based solely on election results that have already been challenged, litigated, recounted, finalized, and certified.

            I understand that in America, anyone can sue anyone else for anything. But this lawsuit is a major stretch, basically arguing: "We're Texas, so screw your election." Laughable in its obvious lack of legitimate merit. Frankly, it's more embarrassing than anything Giuliani and company have come up with.
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            • SCOTUS d o e s have standing, and they say the four states have to do Texas's 'the thing'. So, one more theory down the toilet...
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              • Originally posted by -Jrabbit View Post
                Texas clearly has no standing to interfere in the elections of other states.

                Everything I read says this is the equivalent of a nuisance suit. The "original jurisdiction" resolution by the Supreme Court was designed to rule on disputes between states (typically over borders, water rights, taxes, etc.) that they can not reach agreement on. And that's certainly not what's happening here. This lawsuit claims to be about voting systems, yet is clearly based solely on election results that have already been challenged, litigated, recounted, finalized, and certified.

                I understand that in America, anyone can sue anyone else for anything. But this lawsuit is a major stretch, basically arguing: "We're Texas, so screw your election." Laughable in its obvious lack of legitimate merit. Frankly, it's more embarrassing than anything Giuliani and company have come up with.
                There's no such limit to the original justification resolution. The intent of the resolution is to prevent conflicts between the states. And yes there is a conflict, which gives Texas (and the other states) standing. The key is that those states unconstitutionally changed the rules to elect Joe Biden. By doing so they invited fraud and then refused to investigate it properly. To be specific, there is no reason for people in Texas to even vote if states are allowed to engage in such unconstitutional and un-American acts. So the people of Texas have good standing.
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                • -Jrabbit
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                  LOL! Well if that's true, on behalf of the people of Illinois, I hereby sue the state of Texas for their voting system changes, which disenfranchised tens of thousands by eliminating many polling places, limiting drop boxes to one per county, and refusing to let Covid-threatened residence vote safely by absentee ballot, clearly abridging their constitutional right to vote. This deliberate disenfranchisement is clearly unconstitutional, and the resulting Trump victory does clear and immediate harm to the great state of Illinois.

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                  "Limiting drop boxes." Give me a break.

                  Yeah, you could have tried, but that doesn't mean it would go anywhere.

              • Here's what conservative lawyer Alan Dershowitz said on Newsmax TV:

                Alan Dershowitz told Newsmax TV on Tuesday that Texas’ attempt to sue multiple other states over the 2020 presidential election is a “creative approach,” that “almost certainly” won’t overturn the results of the election.”

                Dershowitz noted on “John Bachman Now” that the U.S. Constitution allows a state to sue another state, but “it rarely happens and it almost never succeeds, but it’s a very creative approach.”

                He added that the argument that Texans have been deprived of their rights is “a stretch,” adding that “it’s never been tried before,” but “it probably will be taken seriously by the Supreme Court. Will it result in an undoing of the election? Almost certainly not.”

                Dershowitz said, “will the Supreme Court take the case? Who knows. They’re never had it like this presented before, this is all novel. The whole case is a first impression. A+ for creativity, but whether or not it will work in the end is very doubtful.”
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                • Everyone here hates Newsmax until they don't. Newsmax is wrong in this case.
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                  • -Jrabbit
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                    It's Dershowitz, a respected constitutional scholar and litigator, speaking for himself in evaluating the merits of the Texas lawsuit. I personally despise Newsmax, but I do like to know what kind of poison is being fed to the right. Quoted here to make sure Kid would read it.

                • It's like 1/20, just like Trump's chances to win the 2016 election.
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                  • "In its Motion for Leave, Texas argues at great length that it has standing, and presents three separate bases for it.

                    First, Texas claims the right to present the constitutional claims of its citizens, who “have the right to demand that all other States abide by the constitutionally set rules in appointing presidential electors to the electoral college.”

                    Second, Texas “presses its own form of voting-rights injury as States” premised on the structure of the Constitution. “Whereas the House represents the People proportionally, the Senate represents the States,” Texas notes. Thus, “[w]hile Americans likely care more about who is elected President, the States have a distinct interest in who is elected Vice President and thus who can cast the tiebreaking vote in the Senate,” the Texas brief stresses. “Through that interest,” the brief continues:
                    States suffer an Article III injury when another State violates federal law to affect the outcome of a presidential election. This injury is particularly acute in 2020, where a Senate majority often will hang on the Vice President’s tie-breaking vote because of the nearly equal—and, depending on the outcome of Georgia run-off elections in January, possibly equal— balance between political parties. Quite simply, it is vitally important to the States who becomes Vice President.

                    Finally, Texas argues it has standing to sue as a representative of the state’s “electors.” These electors, Texas argues, suffer a “legislative injury whenever allegedly improper actions deny them a working majority.” Since “[t]he electoral college is a zero-sum game,” the unconstitutional appointment of electors in other states injures Texas’s electors, according to the briefing."

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                    • -Jrabbit
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                      Not at all convincing re standing. Differences among states re election law are considerable, and changes are made all the time. This scattershot argument relies on "unhappy with the results" rather than the actual constitutionality of states' election systems.

                  • Originally posted by -Jrabbit View Post
                    Here's what conservative lawyer Alan Dershowitz said on Newsmax TV:
                    This will explain it Jrabbit, and a bunch of other stuff... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4Ix0CEZpm8
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                    • -Jrabbit
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                      Dude, I'm not here for 2-hour videos. But hey, thanks for the condescending attitude.

                  • All 50 States INCLUDING THE ONES WITH REPUBLICAN GOVERNMENTS
                    have certified their votes

                    https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/09/polit...ied/index.html

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                    • Which basically means they have put their stamp of approval to possible massive fraud. They either had to do so or lose their electors. So, its now to the Supreme Court. You guys noted all the cases Trump lost, well that had to happen to appeal to the Supreme Court, so...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAf0QnLFS7Q
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                      • They like to set false goals. It's like participation trophies.
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