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**Kidlicious** · December 8, 2020, 13:18

Originally posted by Ming View Post

Just because you call somebody an "expert" does mean they are correct. We've already seen other of your "expert" witnesses get laughed out of court by Judges appointed by Trump.

Another fake argument. Whether or not he is an expert isn't actually in dispute. You're just carrying on.

**Ming** · December 8, 2020, 13:33

Just because you consider them "experts" doesn't make them right. In trials, expert witnesses are used by both sides and they come to different conclusions. In the end, it's just the experts "opinion"... not FACT.
And some of Trump's other "expert witnesses" have been laughed out of court.

**Kidlicious** · December 8, 2020, 13:46

Originally posted by Ming View Post

Just because you consider them "experts" doesn't make them right. In trials, expert witnesses are used by both sides and they come to different conclusions. In the end, it's just the experts "opinion"... not FACT.
And some of Trump's other "expert witnesses" have been laughed out of court.

You're making things up. There isn't actually other experts that come to different opinions based on the data. You have corrupt officials like Krebs just saying there was no fraud.

**Kidlicious** · December 8, 2020, 13:49

Kill Chain is an HBO documentary released during the Russia Hoax that totally destroys the current narrative that the election system is safe and secure.

Kill Chain-The.Cyber War on Americas Election

https://videa.hu/videok/film-animacio/kill-chain-the.cyber-war-on-dokumentum-feliratos-R0pN5dXNCKPVXsO0

Feliratos! Az alkotók annak járnak utána, mennyire biztonságos a választásoknál alkalmazott informatikai technika, és feltárják, mennyire védett a külső behatolásoktól a szavazási rendszer. A 2016-os elnökválasztás tapasztalatai alapján látható, a 2020-as választás is veszélyben van, léteznek veszélyes programok a rendszer egyes részeinek megzavarására, a választó névjegyzéktől kezdve a szavazólapokig. Mindezek arra szolgálnak, hogy aláássák az amerikaiak demokráciába vetett hitét és a szabadság

**Jon Miller** · December 8, 2020, 14:00

The statistics would suggest looking at Texas and Florida, not Georgia.

But be that as it may, you have to validate the election soon after the election. Many places do it within days. In the US we do it over a month later. That gives plenty of time to demonstrate massive and pervasive subversion of the will of the people or election fraud. It is probably not enough time to determine whether there were mistakes or fraud or what have you for a few hundred votes. This is why I find the actions in 2000 defensible. But this election was decided in 5 states with over 250k vote lead for Biden. If there were massive pervasive fraud in unfriendly territory (states with partial or majority Republican control) there would be evidence (Acceptable in court) in the last 30 days.

And it is the authorities, so on a national level Trump, who do almost all cases of massive pervasive election fraud (in other nations in the past). And we have seen repeated attempts by Trump to illegally influence the election, both before November 3 and after. Before we saw his attempt to dismantle the postal service and influence Ukraine to create statements to be used against President-elect Biden and after we have repeatedly seen him apply pressure to Republican politicians and election officials in the states he lost.

Those are unethical actions and actions against democracy in and of itself. He should have no role in the election, just like Biden didn't. So the greatest evidence we have seen of an attempt to subvert the will of the people in a massive and pervasive matter is of Trump himself.

JM

**Kidlicious** · December 8, 2020, 15:18

Originally posted by Jon Miller View Post

The statistics would suggest looking at Texas and Florida, not Georgia.

But be that as it may, you have to validate the election soon after the election. Many places do it within days. In the US we do it over a month later. That gives plenty of time to demonstrate massive and pervasive subversion of the will of the people or election fraud. It is probably not enough time to determine whether there were mistakes or fraud or what have you for a few hundred votes. This is why I find the actions in 2000 defensible. But this election was decided in 5 states with over 250k vote lead for Biden. If there were massive pervasive fraud in unfriendly territory (states with partial or majority Republican control) there would be evidence (Acceptable in court) in the last 30 days.

And it is the authorities, so on a national level Trump, who do almost all cases of massive pervasive election fraud (in other nations in the past). And we have seen repeated attempts by Trump to illegally influence the election, both before November 3 and after. Before we saw his attempt to dismantle the postal service and influence Ukraine to create statements to be used against President-elect Biden and after we have repeatedly seen him apply pressure to Republican politicians and election officials in the states he lost.

Those are unethical actions and actions against democracy in and of itself. He should have no role in the election, just like Biden didn't. So the greatest evidence we have seen of an attempt to subvert the will of the people in a massive and pervasive matter is of Trump himself.

JM

I'm not going to address most of this. If there was fraud then the election was stolen and Biden can not be legitimate. Time doesn't mean anything.

But there was a dump of over 100k ballots in GA for Biden at around 6:30 am on 11/4. That is corroborated by the video evidence of people scanning ballots without Republicans observing (which is against the law)

I don't know what you are talking about with regards to Florida and Texas.

**Lancer** · December 8, 2020, 15:41

Well Kid, at least these folks are getting an inkling. The slightest glimmer of light of the new dawn is upsetting their commie media inspired fantasy. Good for them.

Gotta love Texas. Wonder if this is what Trump was talking about changing "over the next couple of days". I didn't see the Texas thing coming, I expected something else.

**Jon Miller** · December 8, 2020, 15:53

Originally posted by pchang View Post

Communist Kid + drug addict wife + horrible divorce => Misogynist, deranged Trump supporter Kid
Reasonable Lancer + ??? => Deranged Trump supporter Lancer

I recently read a theory that the initial Q was some old man in the Philippines. So Lancer = original Q?

JM

**Kidlicious** · December 8, 2020, 15:55

JM, My response is blocked by server.

**Kidlicious** · December 8, 2020, 15:58

Originally posted by Lancer View Post

Well Kid, at least these folks are getting an inkling. The slightest glimmer of light of the new dawn is upsetting their commie media inspired fantasy. Good for them.

Gotta love Texas. Wonder if this is what Trump was talking about changing "over the next couple of days". I didn't see the Texas thing coming, I expected something else.

The media inspired fantasy is a coup. It has been ever since they decided that they no longer needed any credibility.

I don't know if Trump knew Texas would file or not but I think there is more evidence that will be presented in due time.

**Jon Miller** · December 8, 2020, 16:02

The time for presenting evidence was before today. Preferably a couple of weeks before today. After today, practically nothing can be done. If the Trump team really has evidence that they are not sharing, then they are incompetent as well as unethical.

JM

**Jon Miller** · December 8, 2020, 16:04

My understanding is that if they had seen evidence, Arizona and Georgia (And possibly Pennsylvania) would have acted. Georgia at least said that they needed evidence in order to call a special session. It is too late now.

JM

**Lancer** · December 8, 2020, 16:08

Originally posted by Kidicious View Post

The media inspired fantasy is a coup. It has been ever since they decided that they no longer needed any credibility.

I don't know if Trump knew Texas would file or not but I think there is more evidence that will be presented in due time.

Yes well, who inspired the media inspired fantasy? These folks maqy be why Trump put the US special forces under his personal control. This was an attempted coup, as you suggest. That's illegal. Under the 2018 election law created by Trump, the assets of those involved in election fraud may be seized,and that's treason, might not go well for them. Wonder if their yachts are all heading for Havana as they wait for SCOTUS to rule. First they tried to impeach Trump with the Russia thing, now its his turn to strike. ...and China, China is well and truly fooked.

**Kidlicious** · December 8, 2020, 16:17

Originally posted by Jon Miller View Post

The time for presenting evidence was before today. Preferably a couple of weeks before today. After today, practically nothing can be done. If the Trump team really has evidence that they are not sharing, then they are incompetent as well as unethical.

JM

The Democrats and corrupt Republicans are drawing it out, putting up road blocks. The media is gaslighting the citizenry. Trump could be holding evidence so they can persecute more criminals and for worse crimes. It's a pretty typical way to persecute criminals.

**Lancer** · December 8, 2020, 16:19

When you set rat traps, you don't tell the rats.

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