Who do you tip to win the US presidential election

[Kidlicious]

My understanding is that if they had seen evidence, Arizona and Georgia (And possibly Pennsylvania) would have acted. Georgia at least said that they needed evidence in order to call a special session. It is too late now.

JM

It's never too late to persecute criminals. As far as the election goes, Biden isn't elected until he's elected. And he isn't elected

[Kidlicious]

*prosecute (can't edit)

[Lancer]

Biden can go back to his basement and think of what might have been for the rest of his days. Harris goes back to the Senate. At least she was smart enough not to vacate her seat. Likely get voted out for her part in this, or worse. Eventually many of these lefties will get that they've been played, and they won't be happy about that.

[Kidlicious]

When you set rat traps, you don't tell the rats.

Trump said over and over that they were going to commit election fraud. Was that just political? I don't think so. I think he really believed they would, because they are crooks. So it's reasonable to think maybe he has some plan.

[Jon Miller]

In democracies, elections are acted upon since they represent the will of the people.

While misbehavior can still be prosecuted after the fact, the election still must be acted upon. The possibility of overturning it has practically gone away. Proof that Biden was involved in some elaborate massive illegal effort to suborn the election and get a result contrary to the will of the people would be, in a few days, handled by impeachment and removal (a la Nixon).

It will soon (and may already be the case) be that it is no longer be possible to overturn the election, rather only a coup would be possible. Why do you cheer a coup?

JM

[Jon Miller]

To aid your comprehension:

If Mueller had found smoking gun evidence that Trump had sat down with Russian spies and planned and succeeded in a change of the votes in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin... the election would not have been overturned. Hillary would not have become president. Rather, Trump would have been impeached and (hopefully, but not necessarily) removed. If Trump had been removed from office, either in 2018 or in 2020, Pence would have become president, not Clinton.

Conceivably, Trump could have been (and Biden could be in 2021) tried for the crimes involved during the campaign (once more, I am not maintaining that Trump should have tried for crimes committed during the campaign and I do not think that Biden did any crimes... I have not even heard rumors that the crazy right is accusing him) and sentenced to house arrest for the remainder of his time in office.

The election can be only overturned before the results are applied. After, there are other procedures. The only way that Trump will be president on January 21, 2020, is if he carries out a coup.

JM

[Kidlicious]

In democracies, elections are acted upon since they represent the will of the people.

While misbehavior can still be prosecuted after the fact, the election still must be acted upon. The possibility of overturning it has practically gone away. Proof that Biden was involved in some elaborate massive illegal effort to suborn the election and get a result contrary to the will of the people would be, in a few days, handled by impeachment and removal (a la Nixon).

It will soon (and may already be the case) be that it is no longer be possible to overturn the election, rather only a coup would be possible. Why do you cheer a coup?

JM

As far as I'm concerned Biden is not legitimate unless he won without fraud. The main reason is that we don't know who is behind the fraud. In this crazy world it very well could be China or some other enemy. So I'm not really worried about Biden per se. I'm worried about those evil people that want him elected, even Wall Street.

And I don't consider it a coup, but if he's corrupted by China then a coup is what we need.

[Kidlicious]

To aid your comprehension:

If Mueller had found smoking gun evidence that Trump had sat down with Russian spies and planned and succeeded in a change of the votes in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin... the election would not have been overturned. Hillary would not have become president. Rather, Trump would have been impeached and (hopefully, but not necessarily) removed. If Trump had been removed from office, either in 2018 or in 2020, Pence would have become president, not Clinton.

Conceivably, Trump could have been (and Biden could be in 2021) tried for the crimes involved during the campaign (once more, I am not maintaining that Trump should have tried for crimes committed during the campaign and I do not think that Biden did any crimes... I have not even heard rumors that the crazy right is accusing him) and sentenced to house arrest for the remainder of his time in office.

The election can be only overturned before the results are applied. After, there are other procedures. The only way that Trump will be president on January 21, 2020, is if he carries out a coup.

JM

I just don't think that Biden would be impeached by the House because they just lie for him, and the media helps them. They are brainwashing people.

[Lancer]

The will of the people, minus the fraud, is that Trump won. Elections will be different from now on, until the next crisis in a hundred years, who knows. No more voting machines. Melt them down to make a statue to the man who saved America from becoming a banana republic. A huge effin statue with an epic foundation that cannot be pulled down.

[Jon Miller]

But now do you understand what I said when I said that if they had evidence, they needed to already use it?

The election has been validated in the States. It has passed the point where the state politicians who can modify it can act, in a few days it will be acted on. That action will then be validated in January, and can only be invalidated by a vote to invalidate by both the House and the Senate (which I expect would be more difficult then a vote to impeach and remove Biden after January 20th). That validation results in Biden assuming the presidency on January 20.

So the election is practically impossible to overturn. If you are talking a coup, that is sedition. If you aren't talking a coup, you should accept Biden's legitimacy or seek investigations with the end goal of impeachment and removal.

JM

[Jon Miller]

The will of the people, minus the fraud, is that Trump won.

All evidence and facts show that the will of the people was for Biden to win, and that by a significant percentage (higher than any recent president other than Obama in 2008).

Evidence to the contrary should have been provided to the courts to test it well before today. What evidence was provided was found unsatisfactorily (and much of the evidence claimed for the past several weeks was not provided, probably due to it being false, which is why the courts have a role).

JM

[Kidlicious]

I don't want the military used, but let's say that the Dept of Defense has evidence of foreign interference. Then the Democrats and the media say Trump is lying and executing a coup. In that kind of situation I'm going to support Trump. Of course I'm not saying I would blindly support him.

[pchang]

You don't say it You just are.

[Jon Miller]

Romney, Murkowski, Sasse, Toomey and Collins have all said that they consider Biden the winner. Another 5 Republican senators have said that they think Biden the likely winner.

I don't think that a move to invalidate the election could even past the Senate.

JM

[pchang]

As for TX, "The motion filed by the Texas Attorney General is a publicity stunt, not a serious legal pleading," Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel said in a statement. "The erosion of confidence in our democratic system isn't attributable to the good people of Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia or Pennsylvania but rather to partisan officials, like Mr. Paxton, who place loyalty to a person over loyalty to their country."

[Ted Striker]

Everything's bigger in Texas, especially the voter suppression

[Kidlicious]

In democracies, elections are acted upon since they represent the will of the people.

While misbehavior can still be prosecuted after the fact, the election still must be acted upon. The possibility of overturning it has practically gone away. Proof that Biden was involved in some elaborate massive illegal effort to suborn the election and get a result contrary to the will of the people would be, in a few days, handled by impeachment and removal (a la Nixon).

It will soon (and may already be the case) be that it is no longer be possible to overturn the election, rather only a coup would be possible. Why do you cheer a coup?

JM

Two ways it might be ok to hold evidence imo.

1) The military has evidence, and is conducting operations against enemies of the US and releasing the evidence would compromise the operations.

2) The evidence is a whistleblower and as soon as he/she comes forward the media will smear him. So it's reasonable to hold off as long as possible.

But besides that I agree with you.

[Lancer]

I don't want the military used, but let's say that the Dept of Defense has evidence of foreign interference. Then the Democrats and the media say Trump is lying and executing a coup. In that kind of situation I'm going to support Trump. Of course I'm not saying I would blindly support him.

That's what I expected. DoD has been stellar in all this. Supposedly had a fight over a server with an US intel organization to get that server. Did that provide the evidence of exactly what you suggest? So if this election is a soft coup against the Trump victory, and you and I know the answer to that, then the DoD would have to act to s a v e the Democracy.