Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Brett Kavanaugh, great justice or greatest justice?

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Originally posted by Kidicious View Post

    You didn't read Rachel Mitchell's report but you think Ford's testimony was credible. Read the report.
    You believe a partisan hack? Of course you would.
    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

    Comment


    • Why didn't that happen to Gorsuch?
      Pretty good question. I don't have a good answer for you on that one. I have a few theories. Best one I can say is that the math was still 6 to 3, and the democrats have consistently fought against shifting to a 5 to 4 position, that they were last in with Bork and Thomas. It's always the 6 to 3 to 5 to 4 that they fight the hardest. Gorsuch for Scalia moved the court leftwards.

      No, it wouldn't change my perception one bit - I watched the source testify under oath and she was credible.
      Kav was confirmed to the DC appellates after waiting for three years from 2003 to 2006. Why didn't Ford bring up these allegations then?

      As for the timing, she told people about Kavanaugh years ago.
      When and where? If you're talking about the therapy sessions, there's no record that she mentioned Kavanaugh specifically and her ex husband stated that he never heard her talk about Kavanaugh at all.

      It was Kavanaugh who lied, he lied about the extent of his drinking, he lied about being "Bart" Kavanaugh in his buddy's book, his lies were numerous and transparent. Did you see his explanation as to why he couldn't have been at the party? He didn't party during the week and he spent weekends out of town that summer. His own calendar disagrees.
      What party? Did Ford give a date when the alleged party occurred? All the people that Ford claims were there deny that there was a party. Her best friend can't recall a time when Ford and Kavanaugh were at the same party together. Ever.

      The big one for me is why did Diane Feinstein not introduce these allegations during the hearings for Kavanaugh? Ford submitted them to her in July, as her congressional records show. Why wait? The only gain they got from waiting is to try to run out the clock on Kavanaugh.
      Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
      "Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
      2015 APOLYTON FANTASY FOOTBALL CHAMPION!

      Comment


      • Giancarlo
        Giancarlo commented
        Editing a comment
        Women don't come forward with allegations because of fear and threats. Specifically from stupid men like you.

    • The entire report explains why her testimony was not credible. I'm sure that you would prefer that I quote the report instead of reading the entire thing.
      You brought it up, you can quote it... I'll read what you consider impeachable.

      I'd love to see what she thought of Kavanaugh's response to 'are you the Bart Kavanaugh in Mike Judge's book?'




      Comment


      • Look at how Benidicious ignores more facts and doesn't address the stolen memos.
        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

        Comment


        • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
          Pretty good question. I don't have a good answer for you on that one. I have a few theories. Best one I can say is that the math was still 6 to 3, and the democrats have consistently fought against shifting to a 5 to 4 position, that they were last in with Bork and Thomas. It's always the 6 to 3 to 5 to 4 that they fight the hardest. Gorsuch for Scalia moved the court leftwards.

          Kav was confirmed to the DC appellates after waiting for three years from 2003 to 2006. Why didn't Ford bring up these allegations then?

          When and where? If you're talking about the therapy sessions, there's no record that she mentioned Kavanaugh specifically and her ex husband stated that he never heard her talk about Kavanaugh at all.

          What party? Did Ford give a date when the alleged party occurred? All the people that Ford claims were there deny that there was a party. Her best friend can't recall a time when Ford and Kavanaugh were at the same party together. Ever.

          The big one for me is why did Diane Feinstein not introduce these allegations during the hearings for Kavanaugh? Ford submitted them to her in July, as her congressional records show. Why wait? The only gain they got from waiting is to try to run out the clock on Kavanaugh.
          1) it didn't happen to Gorsuch because he didn't sexually assault a woman, or not one willing to come forward anyway

          2) Ford didn't act until he was on the short list for SCOTUS, his power was limited to a lower court with judges above him and she was unwilling at that time to expose herself to the circus

          3)
          Ford’s husband, Russell Ford, said in his affidavit that he first heard about his wife’s experience with an assault when they were married in 2002, but that he did not know the details of the alleged incident until a couple’s therapy session about 10 years later.

          “She said that in high school she had been trapped in a room and physically restrained by one boy who was molesting her while another boy watched,” Ford wrote in the affidavit. “She said she was eventually able to escape before she was raped, but that her experience was very traumatic because she felt like she had no control and was physically dominated.”

          Ford wrote that his wife named Kavanaugh
          https://www.thedailybeast.com/friend...ault-years-ago

          4) She couldn't remember the date and it doesn't matter if the other people could remember, they weren't the victim of sexual assault. I've been to countless parties I cant remember because nothing out of the ordinary happened to me. But Kavanaugh's calendar did show a date - July 1st 1982. That was in the time frame and according to the calendar entry, the 3 boys she named are on it. Thats why Kavanaugh came up with that nonsense about how he couldn't have been at the party because he only attended parties on the weekends and he spent weekends that summer out of town.

          5) Feinstein was asked by Ford to keep her identity confidential. Ford initially went to Eshoo (her congresswoman) and she did this trying to get the message to Trump to choose someone else. That didn't work for whatever reason (maybe Eshoo and Feinstein didn't tell Trump) so Ford was faced with remaining anonymous and watching Kavanaugh be confirmed without people knowing about him or eventually coming forward at great risk to herself and family. She's got bigger balls than Trump and Kavanaugh combined.

          Comment


          • Originally posted by Berzerker View Post

            You brought it up, you can quote it... I'll read what you consider impeachable.

            I'd love to see what she thought of Kavanaugh's response to 'are you the Bart Kavanaugh in Mike Judge's book?'



            Dumb ass
            I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
            - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

            Comment


            • Please permit me this opportunity to present my independent assessment of Dr. Christine Blasey Ford’s allegations against Judge Brett Kavanaugh. Before I do this, I want to emphasize two important points:
              1. This memorandum contains my own independent assessment of Dr. Ford’s allegations, based upon my independent review of the evidence and my nearly 25 years of experience as a career prosecutor of sex-related and other crimes in Arizona. This memorandum does not necessarily reflect the views of the Chairman, any committee member, or any other senator. No senator reviewed or approved this memorandum before its release, and I was not pressured in any way to write this memorandum or to write any words in this memorandum with which I do not fully agree. The words written in this memorandum are mine, and I fully stand by all of them. While I am a registered Republican, I am not a political or partisan person.
              2. A Senate confirmation hearing is not a trial, especially not a prosecution. The Chairman made the following statement on September 25, 2018, after he hired me:
              As I have said, I’m committed to providing a forum to both Dr. Ford and Judge Kavanaugh on Thursday that is safe, comfortable and dignified. The majority members have followed the bipartisan recommendation to hire as staff counsel for the committee an experienced career sex-crimes prosecutor to question the witnesses at Thursday’s hearing. The goal is to de-politicize the process and get to the truth, instead of grandstanding and giving senators an opportunity to launch their presidential campaigns. I’m very appreciative that Rachel Mitchell has stepped forward to serve in this important and serious role. Ms. Mitchell has been recognized in the legal community for her experience and objectivity. I’ve worked to give Dr. Ford an opportunity to share serious allegations with committee members in any format she’d like after learning of the allegations. I promised Dr. Ford that I would do everything in my power to avoid a repeat of the ‘circus’ atmosphere in the hearing room that we saw the week of September 4. I’ve taken this additional step to have questions asked by expert staff counsel to establish the most fair and respectful treatment of the witnesses possible.
              That is how I approached my job. There is no clear standard of proof for allegations made during the Senate’s confirmation process. But the world in which I work is the legal world, not the political world. Thus, I can only provide my assessment of Dr. Ford’s allegations in that legal context.
              1
              I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
              - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

              Comment


              • In the legal context, here is my bottom line: A “he said, she said” case is incredibly difficult to prove. But this case is even weaker than that. Dr. Ford identified other witnesses to the event, and those witnesses either refuted her allegations or failed to corroborate them. For the reasons discussed below, I do not think that a reasonable prosecutor would bring this case based on the evidence before the Committee. Nor do I believe that this evidence is sufficient to satisfy the preponderance-of-the-evidence standard.
                Dr. Ford has not offered a consistent account of when the alleged assault happened.
                • In a July 6 text to the Washington Post, she said it happened in the “mid 1980s.”
                • In her July 30 letter to Senator Feinstein, she said it happened in the “early 80s.”
                • Her August 7 statement to the polygrapher said that it happened one “high school summer in early 80’s,” but she crossed out the word “early” for reasons she did not explain.
                • A September 16 Washington Post article reported that Dr. Ford said it happened in the “summer of 1982.”
                • Similarly, the September 16 article reported that notes from an individual therapy session in 2013 show her describing the assault as occurring in her “late teens.” But she told the Post and the Committee that she was 15 when the assault allegedly occurred. She has not turned over her therapy records for the Committee to review.
                • While it is common for victims to be uncertain about dates, Dr. Ford failed to explain how she was suddenly able to narrow the timeframe to a particular season and particular year.
                Dr. Ford has struggled to identify Judge Kavanaugh as the assailant by name.
                • No name was given in her 2012 marriage therapy notes.
                • No name was given in her 2013 individual therapy notes.
                • Dr. Ford’s husband claims to recall that she identified Judge Kavanaugh by name in 2012. At that point, Judge Kavanaugh’s name was widely reported in the press as a potential Supreme Court nominee if Governor Romney won the presidential election.
                • In any event, it took Dr. Ford over thirty years to name her assailant. Delayed disclosure of abuse is common so this is not dispositive.
                When speaking with her husband, Dr. Ford changed her description of the incident to become less specific.
                • Dr. Ford testified that she told her husband about a “sexual assault” before they were married.
                • But she told the Washington Post that she informed her husband that she was the victim of “physical abuse” at the beginning of their marriage.
                • She testified that, both times, she was referring to the same incident.
                Dr. Ford has no memory of key details of the night in question—details that could help corroborate her account.
                • She does not remember who invited her to the party or how she heard about it.
                • She does not remember how she got to the party.
                2
                I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

                Comment


                • • She does not remember in what house the assault allegedly took place or where that house was located with any specificity.
                  • Perhaps most importantly, she does not remember how she got from the party back to her house.
                  o Her inability to remember this detail raises significant questions.
                  o She told the Washington Post that the party took place near the Columbia Country Club. The Club is more than 7 miles from her childhood home as the crow flies, and she testified that it was a roughly 20-minute drive from her childhood home.
                  o She also agreed for the first time in her testimony that she was driven somewhere that night, either to the party or from the party or both.
                  o Dr. Ford was able to describe hiding in the bathroom, locking the door, and subsequently exiting the house. She also described wanting to make sure that she did not look like she had been attacked.
                  o But she has no memory of who drove her or when. Nor has anyone come forward to identify him or herself as the driver.
                  o Given that this all took place before cell phones, arranging a ride home would not have been easy. Indeed, she stated that she ran out of the house after coming downstairs and did not state that she made a phone call from the house before she did, or that she called anyone else thereafter.
                  • She does, however, remember small, distinct details from the party unrelated to the assault. For example, she testified that she had exactly one beer at the party and was taking no medication at the time of the alleged assault.
                  Dr. Ford’s account of the alleged assault has not been corroborated by anyone she identified as having attended—including her lifelong friend.
                  • Dr. Ford has named three people other than Judge Kavanaugh who attended the party— Mark Judge, Patrick “PJ” Smyth, and her lifelong friend Leland Keyser (née Ingham). Dr. Ford testified to the Committee that another boy attended the party, but that she could not remember his name. No others have come forward.
                  • All three named eyewitnesses have submitted statements to the Committee denying any memory of the party whatsoever. Most relevantly, in her first statement to the Committee, Ms. Keyser stated through counsel that, “[s]imply put, Ms. Keyser does not know Mr. Kavanaugh and she has no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where he was present, with, or without, Dr. Ford.” In a subsequent statement to the Committee through counsel, Ms. Keyser said that “the simple and unchangeable truth is that she is unable to corroborate [Dr. Ford’s allegations] because she has no recollection of the incident in question.”
                  o Moreover, Dr. Ford testified that her friend Leland, apparently the only other girl at the party, did not follow up with Dr. Ford after the party to ask why she had suddenly disappeared.
                  Dr. Ford has not offered a consistent account of the alleged assault.
                  • According to her letter to Senator Feinstein, Dr. Ford heard Judge Kavanaugh and Mark Judge talking to other partygoers downstairs while she was hiding in the bathroom after the alleged assault. But according to her testimony, she could not hear them talking to anyone.
                  I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                  - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

                  Comment


                  • o In her letter, she stated, “I locked the door behind me. Both loudly stumbled down the stairwell, at which point other persons at the house were talking with them.”
                    o She testified that Judge Kavanaugh or Mark Judge turned up the music in the bedroom so that the people downstairs could not hear her scream. She testified that, after the incident, she ran into the bathroom, locked the door, and heard them going downstairs. But she maintained that she could not hear their conversation with others when they got downstairs. Instead, she testified that she “assum[ed]” a conversation took place.
                    • Her account of who was at the party has been inconsistent.
                    o According to the Washington Post’s account of her therapy notes, there were four boys in the bedroom in which she was assaulted.
                    o She told the Washington Post that the notes were erroneous because there were four boys at the party, but only two in the bedroom.
                    o In her letter to Senator Feinstein, she said “me and 4 others” were present at the party.
                    o In her testimony, she said there were four boys in addition to Leland Keyser and herself. She could not remember the name of the fourth boy, and no one has come forward.
                    o Dr. Ford listed Patrick “PJ” Smyth as a “bystander” in her statement to the polygrapher and in her July 6 text to the Washington Post, although she testified that it was inaccurate to call him a bystander. She did not list Leland Keyser even though they are good friends. Leland Keyser’s presence should have been more memorable than PJ Smyth’s.
                    Dr. Ford has struggled to recall important recent events relating to her allegations, and her testimony regarding recent events raises further questions about her memory.
                    • Dr. Ford struggled to remember her interactions with the Washington Post.
                    o Dr. Ford could not remember if she showed a full or partial set of therapy notes to the Washington Post reporter.
                     She does not remember whether she showed the Post reporter the therapist’s notes or her own summary of those notes. The Washington Post article said that “portions” of her “therapist’s notes” were “provided by Ford and reviewed by” the Post. But in her testimony, Dr. Ford could not recall whether she summarized the notes for the reporter or showed her the actual records.
                    o She does not remember if she actually had a copy of the notes when she texted the Washington Post WhatsApp account on July 6.
                     Dr. Ford said in her first WhatsApp message to the Post that she “ha[d] therapy notes talking about” the incident when she contacted the Post’s tipline. She testified that she had reviewed her therapy notes before contacting the Post to determine whether the mentioned anything about the alleged incident, but could not remember if she had a copy of those notes, as she said in her WhatsApp message, or merely reviewed them in her therapist’s office.
                    • Dr. Ford refused to provide any of her therapy notes to the Committee.
                    I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                    - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

                    Comment


                    • • Dr. Ford’s explanation of why she disclosed her allegations the way she did raises questions.
                      o She claimed originally that she wished for her story to remain confidential, but the person operating the tipline at the Washington Post was the first person other than her therapist or husband to whom she disclosed the identity of her alleged attacker. She testified that she had a “sense of urgency to relay the information to the Senate and the president.” She did not contact the Senate, however, because she claims she “did not know how to do that.” She does not explain why she knew how to contact her Congresswoman but not her Senator.
                      • Dr. Ford could not remember if she was being audio- or video-recorded when she took the polygraph. And she could not remember whether the polygraph occurred the same day as her grandmother’s funeral or the day after her grandmother’s funeral.
                      o It would also have been inappropriate to administer a polygraph to someone who was grieving.
                      Dr. Ford’s description of the psychological impact of the event raises questions.
                      • She maintains that she suffers from anxiety, claustrophobia, and post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).
                      o The date of the hearing was delayed because the Committee was informed that her symptoms prevent her from flying. But she agreed during her testimony that she flies “fairly frequently for [her] hobbies and … work.” She flies to the mid- Atlantic at least once a year to visit her family. She has flown to Hawaii, French Polynesia, and Costa Rica. She also flew to Washington, D.C. for the hearing.
                      o Note too that her attorneys refused a private hearing or interview. Dr. Ford testified that she was not “clear” on whether investigators were willing to travel to California to interview her. It therefore is not clear that her attorneys ever communicated Chairman Grassley’s offer to send investigators to meet her in California or wherever she wanted to meet to conduct the interview.
                      • She alleges that she struggled academically in college, but she has never made any similar claim about her last two years of high school.
                      • It is significant that she used the word “contributed” when she described the psychological impact of the incident to the Washington Post. Use of the word “contributed” rather than “caused” suggests that other life events may have contributed to her symptoms. And when questioned on that point, said that she could think of “nothing as striking as” the alleged assault.
                      The activities of congressional Democrats and Dr. Ford’s attorneys likely affected Dr. Ford’s account.
                      5
                      • See the included timeline for details.
                      timeline is a table
                      I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                      - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

                      Comment


                      • I really feel bad on how much sperm I have murdered in my life, you guise.

                        Sent from my HTC Desire 626 using Tapatalk

                        להזמין ש‬ל הזבוב, Trained by Ba'al.

                        Comment


                        • Originally posted by Kidicious View Post

                          timeline is a table
                          Could you please create a summary of the wall of text that fits into one Din A4-Page and contains a maximum of 10 bullet points?

                          After all this is the standard that Trump also expects from his memoranda
                          Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
                          Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

                          Comment


                          • Originally posted by Proteus_MST View Post

                            Could you please create a summary of the wall of text that fits into one Din A4-Page and contains a maximum of 10 bullet points?

                            After all this is the standard that Trump also expects from his memoranda
                            She is liar.
                            I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                            - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

                            Comment


                            • Originally posted by Kidicious View Post

                              She is liar.
                              I have to admit that Donnie would accept this summary without asking further questions.

                              I wouldn't be surprised if he actually got amemorandum like this )i.e.just with this sentence) and it was the basis for all of his further attacks on Dr. Ford
                              Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
                              Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X