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  • #46
    Originally posted by Proteus_MST View Post
    Give back Crimea, afterwards apply for membershipo of NATO ... and then you can cut spending
    Crimea was ours in 10th century. Long before your country even existed.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by Ellestar View Post
      Well, fine. I'm not sure why Trump promised something about it though...
      He promised people their old manufacturing jobs, magic cure all tonic and the sky. It doesn't mean anything. Trump said **** to get elected.

      Well, as usual Russia is not ready for the next war, so we're frantically trying to rearm and reorganize before it's too late... It kinda cost us much more than just money reserves before. In WW2 we lost tens of millions of people, you know.

      If this time we'll lose only money reserves, i call it a win.
      Economic collapse is a win?
      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Ellestar View Post
        Crimea was ours in 10th century. Long before your country even existed.
        Despite your claims I don't accept you as successors to the Byzantine empire.
        (Hey, perhaps germany should do so as well and claim successorship to the holy roman empire of german nations ... and use this as justification to lay claim over witzerland, austria and the uppoer half of italy )

        And Crimea surely wasn't part of the Grand Duchy of Moscow or its successor, the russian empire, before the latter half of the 18th century ... before it was püart of the crimean khanates
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        • #49
          Originally posted by Proteus_MST View Post
          Despite your claims I don't accept you as successors to the Byzantine empire.
          (Hey, perhaps germany should do so as well and claim successorship to the holy roman empire of german nations ... and use this as justification to lay claim over witzerland, austria and the uppoer half of italy )

          And Crimea surely wasn't part of the Grand Duchy of Moscow or its successor, the russian empire, before the latter half of the 18th century ... before it was püart of the crimean khanates


          Tmutarakan or Tmutorakan was the name of a Mediaeval Kievan Rus' principality and trading town that controlled the Cimmerian Bosporus, the passage from the Black Sea to the Sea of Azov. Its site was the ancient Greek colony of Hermonassa (Ancient Greek: Ἑρμώνασσα), situated on the Taman peninsula, in the present-day Krasnodar Krai of Russia, roughly opposite Kerch. The Khazar fortress of Tamantarkhan (from which the Byzantine name for the city, Tamatarcha, is derived) was built on the site in the 7th century and became known as Tmutarakan (Ukrainian: Тмуторока́нь, Russian: Тмутарака́нь) when it came under Kievan Rus control in the 10th and 11th centuries.
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          • #50
            It doesn't belong to you anymore. Borders change all the time. It isn't the 10th century.
            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Giancarlo View Post
              By the way, if Trump does try something against Congress... They could always override his veto. Some democrats would hop on board and its game over.

              The above is one way Donald could lose a lot of popularity and see his government fall into disfunction.
              And Obama didn't try to go around congress????? That seemed to help his ratings.
              It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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              • #52
                Originally posted by rah View Post
                And Obama didn't try to go around congress????? That seemed to help his ratings.
                Obama tried to work with Republicans a bit too much for my tastes.

                If Trump fails to work with his own party, its a different story.
                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Giancarlo View Post
                  It doesn't belong to you anymore. Borders change all the time. It isn't the 10th century.
                  And this time they changed back in our favor for the third time.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Ellestar View Post
                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tmutarakan

                    Tmutarakan or Tmutorakan was the name of a Mediaeval Kievan Rus' principality and trading town that controlled the Cimmerian Bosporus, the passage from the Black Sea to the Sea of Azov. Its site was the ancient Greek colony of Hermonassa (Ancient Greek: Ἑρμώνασσα), situated on the Taman peninsula, in the present-day Krasnodar Krai of Russia, roughly opposite Kerch. The Khazar fortress of Tamantarkhan (from which the Byzantine name for the city, Tamatarcha, is derived) was built on the site in the 7th century and became known as Tmutarakan (Ukrainian: Тмуторока́нь, Russian: Тмутарака́нь) when it came under Kievan Rus control in the 10th and 11th centuries.
                    True, for 3 centuries the crimean peninsula seems to have been be part of the Kievan rus state. A state btw. that was controlled by a city named Kiev ... capital of nowadays Ukraine.
                    So, Ukraine still seems to have more rights on Crimea, considering that it was a state with their capital that controlled the region (before the grand principality of moscow, as predecessor of nowadays russia came into being)
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                    • #55
                      If the Crimea were a part of Russia, why didn't Russia insist on having it when Ukraine left?
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                      • #56
                        They didn't have Putin to brainwash lead them.

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                        • #57
                          Kiev was a part of the Kievan Rus, I assume Russia will be claiming it shortly.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                            If the Crimea were a part of Russia, why didn't Russia insist on having it when Ukraine left?
                            In about 1783 the Khanate of Crimea was annexed, to Russia, by Catherine the Great. In the 1950's the Crimea was transferred to the Soviet Socialist Republic of Ukraine by Nikita Kruschev who was the the Secretary General of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union.

                            It is debatable whether Kruschev actually had the legal authority to transfer territory from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR.

                            Putin's "annexation" of the Crimea thus may be legal. NB I used the crucial word "may".

                            Anyway, I find it easy to understand why Putin may feel justified in reincorporating the Crimea given the above historical context.

                            BTW Kruschev was Ukrainian.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by giblets View Post
                              Kiev was a part of the Kievan Rus, I assume Russia will be claiming it shortly.
                              What about Alaska?

                              Alaska was Russian.

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                              • #60
                                Yeah but Ukraine is easier to annex than the US.

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