Pope: Catholics should ask gay people for forgiveness

[Dinner]

So, bakers should have the right to decline any bakery work for blacks or jews?

That would break long standing US law despite Berzerker's claims.

[Aeson]

I don't think that has merit. If we eliminate intent, tradeoffs, and scale as considerations, we are all constantly doing things which contribute some % to various atrocities. Having a lawn (or any plant life at all) means you are helping pedophiles rape children for example. Not killing all plant life you encounter means you're a pedophile enabler.

It's completely inane to judge people based on such metrics.

[Lorizael]

/me shrugs. I'm comfortable admitting that I enable atrocities.

[Aeson]

But should you be imprisoned for those attrocities?

[Berzerker]

Not everyone in the Catholic church has joined it (outside of being born into it), and being homophobic is not a requirement of being Catholic. Thus simply being Catholic isn't enough to condemn someone of being homophobic or having supported intolerance of homosexuals.

Most of the people here in the Philippines are Catholic, and I've yet to run into a single person who was homophobic. I'm sure there are some, but the society here is rather liberal in that regard.

It's like blaming Berz for for the drug war ... because Berz is American and America is carrying out the drug war.

The gay baker doesn't know their beliefs other than they joined a Church with a long, sordid history including the persecution of gays. And these people want him to bake a cake for their Catholic wedding, weddings the Catholic Church fights to keep away from gays. But he gets the bigot label?

[Ben Kenobi]

Really... where did the Constitution say women weren't people?

Does it explicitly state that the unborn are not persons?

Why is the baker's intolerance "fair"?

Presumably if it's ok for the rainbow bakery to refuse service to a Catholic, (which is a protected class), then it is also fair game for the Catholic baker to do the same. Stating, "the Catholics have it coming" could be taken out of the Know-Nothing manual word for word.

Catholics spent centuries persecuting gays... If gays had been doing that to Catholics I'd understand why a Catholic might not feel so good about baking a cake for a gay wedding.

Catholics have been a persecuted minority their entire existence in the United States.

[Ben Kenobi]

Yet again, Ben disagrees with the head of his church... because in Benland, only he can dictate what being a good Catholic should be.
Just like in Benland, where he knows more about the law than the Supreme Court...

I quoted the catechism already in the thread. I'm not surprised you didn't pick up on the reference because you've never read it.

[kentonio]

I'm a writer.

[Aeson]

The gay baker doesn't know their beliefs other than they joined a Church with a long, sordid history including the persecution of gays. And these people want him to bake a cake for their Catholic wedding, weddings the Catholic Church fights to keep away from gays. But he gets the bigot label?

That's precisely the point. The baker doesn't know. So instead of judging the couple on their own merits, the baker is ignorantly using a preconceived bias to discriminate against them.

[Aeson]

The internet is full of **** ... someone had to have written it!

[Berzerker]

Does it explicitly state that the unborn are not persons?

You didn't answer me, where does the Constitution say women are not people?

Presumably if it's ok for the rainbow bakery to refuse service to a Catholic, (which is a protected class), then it is also fair game for the Catholic baker to do the same. Stating, "the Catholics have it coming" could be taken out of the Know-Nothing manual word for word.

Comparing Catholics to the gays they've been persecuting for centuries requires knowing nothing

Catholics have been a persecuted minority their entire existence in the United States.

Not by the gays

[Berzerker]

That's precisely the point. The baker doesn't know. So instead of judging the couple on their own merits, the baker is ignorantly using a preconceived bias to discriminate against them.

By their own merits they joined a Church that has spent centuries persecuting gays

[Aeson]

You ... and I ... and even the gay baker belong to groups which have done the same. That doesn't mean you, I, and the gay baker should all be judged the same as those who actually did persecute gays.

[Lorizael]

But should you be imprisoned for those attrocities?

Well, I'm only responsible for a tiny bit of any given atrocity. So maybe lock up my pinky finger?

[Aeson]

You shouldn't be so hard on yourself. With 100 billion people who have lived and contributed, and 37 trillion cells in your body, we only need to lock up 370 of your cells. I hope you've learned your lesson