They wouldn't be called "cartels" if they weren't drug cartels. Drug cartels couldn't exist if drugs were legal.
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Mexico has been fighting our drug war for decades
I'm ok with public dollars protecting Texas from the Cartel drug runners. I've seen some of the harm close up and personal from that crap.
We pressured them into turning their societies into war zones.
The cartels exist because people like you banned drugs, the same thing happened with Prohibition - banning booze led to the creation of cartels and homicide rates about doubled. When was the last time you heard about alcohol cartels having shootouts over market share?
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Thats the 9th Amendment to the Constitution and the reason it was added is because people like you would confuse the enumeration of certain rights to mean or imply other rights didn't exist.
the 1st Amendment protects the religious use of drugs.
Thats why wine was still allowed for Catholics during Prohibition.
I don't see that enumerated anywhere. I didn't challenge your right to use drugs. I challenged your right to get high. I see that nowhere. There are plenty of laws regarding public drunkenness, disturbing the peace, substance abuse while driving, etc.
I ask again - where is there an enumerated right to get high, Berz?
And one more thing, the Constitution is a grant of enumerated powers to the Federal government, there is no enumerated power to punish people for smoking a plant.
Does Congress have the enumerated power to fund Israel's welfare state?Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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They wouldn't be called "cartels" if they weren't drug cartels. Drug cartels couldn't exist if drugs were legal.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Originally posted by Kidicious View PostI doubt Madison intended people to smoke crack and kill fetuses.
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There's no explicit mention of a right to life for fetuses in the Constitution. I guess Ben's arguments for criminalizing abortion go out the window.
nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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That would make him awfully arrogant, how people live their lives aint his business...or yours. But we do know that he intended to limit the power of Congress and not even they had the power to decide what we all ingest.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostPresumably armed insurrection is illegal too. Arguing that the Cartels would vanish with legalization is a myth.
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostFourteenth Amendment.
Next up?
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostBerz, there's a reason it's not an enumerated right. Governments have always regulated the trade and distribution of alcoholic products since well before the revolution. That will continue now as then. This is why the government can regulate it.
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They needed an amendment to actually make alcohol illegal. Are you seriously a history teacher?
They would lose their primary funding source. Organized crime in Mexico would be qualitatively different without all the drug money coming in. It's not a "myth". You're a ****ing idiot.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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No. If you disagree, provide some court cases where fetuses were found to have a right to life under the 14th amendment. Or even show evidence that the people who wrote the 14th amendment intended for it to cover fetuses.
As for intent- look at the preamble.
You're the one arguing that the right to life should be denied to a certain class of people that you regard as less than persons. Same as what the 14th was determined to eliminate.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostDid they need an amendment to make crack illegal?
Stop doing drugs, stop getting high = 0 cartels.
2. That'll never happen. What are you going to do, make the penalties even more harsh than they already are? You're a psychopath.
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostSo the solution is to simply turn over the keys and give up? No. If you want to live in a war zone, go move there. Don't mess with Texas.
Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostI'm ok with public dollars protecting Texas from the Cartel drug runners. I've seen some of the harm close up and personal from that crap.
Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostAhh, bull****. What happened is that the government officials in both Mexico and Colombia encouraged drug cultivation, as a means to acquire cold hard American currency. They were suppliers, berz. Wherever it's been encouraged through official sanction has seen massive, massive drug problems. America is not immune.
Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostNo, the Cartels exist because of the official (or unofficial), sanction by the government officials that wanted money. It's because of folks like you buying drugs which is why they thrive. Demand side is to blame here.
Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostWhere's your right to get high, Berz? I don't see it anywhere.
Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostSo what you're conceding is exactly what I said, you have no right enumerated right to get high.
Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostAHAHA. No, it doesn't.
Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostWell, sure because they ran into a problem with the fact that Catholic communion is required to use wine. Are you suggesting that we get drunk at communion and we have a right to do so, Berz?
Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostI don't see that enumerated anywhere. I didn't challenge your right to use drugs. I challenged your right to get high. I see that nowhere. There are plenty of laws regarding public drunkenness, disturbing the peace, substance abuse while driving, etc.
Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostAre you suggesting that the supreme court has struck down public drunkenness laws? Laws regulating the buying and selling of alcoholic substances as unconstitutional?
Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostAre you suggesting that the constitution says that America shouldn't stand with her allies?
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostRight to life is an enumerated right in the 14th Amendment. Next up?
As for intent- look at the preamble.
You're the one arguing that the right to life should be denied to a certain class of people that you regard as less than persons. Same as what the 14th was determined to eliminate.
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