what happened to the großrossiya thread

[Proteus_MST]

Considering that no NATO countries take part in the russian military games,
are there any non russian Tank/APC models among the competitors?

[Ellestar]

Considering that no NATO countries take part in the russian military games,
are there any non russian Tank/APC models among the competitors?

Only China uses their own tank in that competition, Chinese Type 96A
Everyone else uses Т-72Б3М that are given to them for that competition

[Dinner]

Kuwaiti crew drifts, rolls-over T-72 at Russia’s Tank Biathlon (VIDEO)
https://www.rt.com/news/311501-t72-d...over-biathlon/

I guess you guys just make a crappy tank.

[Dinner]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33777492

The claim has been repeatedly rejected by the UN as being unlawful yet Putin keeps trying to claim everything in the artic is his.

[pchang]

Lack of evidence - not quite the same as illegal.

[regexcellent]

I guess you guys just make a crappy tank.

We already know that. Look how many we blew to smithereens in '91.

Anyway, how about instead of stupid dog and pony shows like this "tank biathlon" you have your crews try and complete a table VIII gunnery?

[Ellestar]

We already know that. Look how many we blew to smithereens in '91.

You mean, outdated export versions with lower-quality armor, without a quality trained crews? With a full control of airspace by US aviation? Besides, Abrams was made to be specifically anti-tank weapon (it doesn't even have HE rounds, wtf is that?) while russian tanks are multirole devices.

And by the way, despite all that, crappy Abrams was destroyed even by machinegun fire ROFLMAO. I mean come on, if everyone copied our T-34/T-44 idea of a main tank, you also may have copided the idea that a modern (T-34 and older) tank is supposed to be protected from a machinegun fire.

Anyway, how about instead of stupid dog and pony shows like this "tank biathlon" you have your crews try and complete a table VIII gunnery?

Well, you can come to it and show how it's done, chickens.

[Ellestar]

I think it's about time to call USA "Empire of Evil", "Police state" etc.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/native-american-activist-arrested-traffic-fine-dies-jail-1-day-after-sandra-bland

Seriously, two days and two deaths in a row of anti-government activists in jail? About a thousand people per year killed during arrests, and most of the people killed weren't even armed? Not only USA is the biggest aggressor since WW2 who started the most wars on a planet (somehow it's considered to be normal by Westerners, apparently it's perfectly democratic), now they're outright killing their own people for no reason as well (which is harder to explain how exactly it can be democratic).

[self biased]

I think it's about time to call USA "Empire of Evil", "Police state" etc.
Seriously, two days and two deaths in a row of anti-government activists in jail? About a thousand people per year killed during arrests, and most of the people killed weren't even armed? Not only USA is the biggest aggressor since WW2 who started the most wars on a planet (somehow it's considered to be normal by Westerners, apparently it's perfectly democratic), now they're outright killing their own people for no reason as well (which is harder to explain how exactly it can be democratic).

is this jealousy that Russia no longer has the market cornered on this awful behavior? Are you trying to say that this sort of thing never happens in Russia?

[regexcellent]

You mean, outdated export versions with lower-quality armor, without a quality trained crews? With a full control of airspace by US aviation? Besides, Abrams was made to be specifically anti-tank weapon (it doesn't even have HE rounds, wtf is that?) while russian tanks are multirole devices.

The Abrams has HE rounds. Look up MPAT. It also has canister rounds. The idea that "Russian tanks are multirole and western tanks are not" ignores not only how they were designed, but also how they've been used--mostly in an infantry support capacity for the last 15 years.

And no, the monkey model thing is a total myth. For instance, in 1967 and 1973 the Russians supplied the Egyptians and Syrians with vehicles requisitioned from frontline, active duty tank units in Ukraine, which did not perform any better against the Israelis than the ones the Arabs had already.

Not to mention the abysmal performance of Russian tanks in Chechnya. Where Challengers, Leopards, and Abrams have shrugged off dozens of RPG hits without so much as a paint scratch, frontal hits from decades-old anti-tank weapons easily knocked out T-80s and T-90s. And this was in a "multirole" infantry support capacity.

A Table VIII gunnery is a platoon-level practice exercise. The point of that statement is that maybe a dozen Russian tank crews can complete some stupid contrived competition without ****ing flipping their tank over, but I highly doubt there are many units that can engage in coordinated combat proficiently.

[rah]

Yep, no anti-government activist ever died in a Siberian death camp.

[kentonio]

I think it's about time to call USA "Empire of Evil", "Police state" etc.

It's strange, I was actually feeling quite like that about the US until fairly recently, but then Russia decided to start acting like the worlds biggest *******s again.

As I said a while ago, if you dumb bastards had just sat back for another 5-10 years and strengthened your ties with Europe instead of swinging your fists around like a two year old having a tantrum, you could have pretty much broken US influence over Europe. Now we're back to seeing the US as a necessary evil.

[Dinner]

Actually, USA Air Force doesn't crash less either. It isn't even full list of crashes here...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...0%93present%29

Are you bad at math? The US has a much larger number of planes and flies them a lot more thus the rate of crashes per flight hour is much lower. Russia has problems with a really old fleet and their maintenance and training standards are lower.

[Ellestar]

It's strange, I was actually feeling quite like that about the US until fairly recently, but then Russia decided to start acting like the worlds biggest *******s again.

As I said a while ago, if you dumb bastards had just sat back for another 5-10 years and strengthened your ties with Europe instead of swinging your fists around like a two year old having a tantrum, you could have pretty much broken US influence over Europe. Now we're back to seeing the US as a necessary evil.

Yup. That was one of the reasons why USA started that coup in Ukraine - to put it's european vassals in order. And dumb european vassals did exactly what USA wanted them to do. As a result, we have sanctions with Europe and a bigger trade with USA at the same time. That's why it's bad to be a vassal - your master will use you for his own gains. Europe got exactly what it deserved for being stupid and weak vassal.

And no, we can't sit back 5-10 years with Nazi on our border.

[Ellestar]

Are you bad at math? The US has a much larger number of planes and flies them a lot more thus the rate of crashes per flight hour is much lower. Russia has problems with a really old fleet and their maintenance and training standards are lower.

Are you bad at math? Russia started to fly more so planes started to crash more. Seriously, if you mention math, try to use it as well instead of just accusing others that they don't use it.