what happened to the großrossiya thread

[Dinner]

The picture of shrapnel piercing the plane cabin certainly shows it was a missile that brought it down. It is in the BBC link.

[rah]

But you said

Yes, folks, it is now 100% provable that the civilian plane was shot down by a Russian made missile.

Which is not the case at all. At least according to the article you posted and I quoted.

It may be proved later but there is no "SMOKING GUN" yet.

[Dinner]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-10/russian-economy-shrinks-4-6-as-oil-slump-risks-deeper-recession

In other news the recession in Russia is much worse than expected and it is projected to continue getting worse. Last quarter it declined by -2.2%, and it was only expected to decline by -3% this quarter but instead it went down a whopping -4.6% which was worse than any projection. Next quarter economists are projecting a -6% decline as sanctions bite ever harder and Russian firms get starved of capital.

Putin sure has lead you guys down a blind alley.

[rah]

So you've backed off that it was proved that it was a RUSSIAN MISSILE? (according to the article you posted)

[Dinner]

Well, they have proved it was a missile anyway and believe it was a BUK but they need further tests of the frame ts to prove it was a BUK. Everyone already knows it was a Russian BUK.

[rah]

I agree with most of what you say but you claimed 100% based on the article which didn't support your claim.
I just asked if you bothered to read it. Or you were just exaggerating the claim.

[Garth Vader]

So the US is responsible for every death caused by weapons that they manufacture and distribute?

[Dinner]

Except that missile was fired by Russian soldiers who had invaded a neighboring country. So, yeah, Russia's guilt is pretty obvious.

[rah]

except the articles you linked to don't support you.
There is no definitive proof yet that the missiles were Russian or who fired them.

(I believe the will eventually determine that but I'll wait for actual proof)

[Proteus_MST]

Except that missile was fired by Russian soldiers who had invaded a neighboring country. So, yeah, Russia's guilt is pretty obvious.

Which on the other hand isn´t 100% proven, even if the claim can be verified, that it is indeed a Buk-Missile.
(as, hypothetically, it still could be a Buk missile that was captured and manned by the rebels)

It would help a lot if they would find missile parts large enough to, for example, prove that the missile is more modern than all Buk-Missiles operated by Ukraina (so that it, indeed, leaves only the possibility of it being supplied by the russians)

[Ellestar]

It would help a lot if they would find missile parts large enough to, for example, prove that the missile is more modern than all Buk-Missiles operated by Ukraina (so that it, indeed, leaves only the possibility of it being supplied by the russians)

I don't think missile parts are absolutely necessary for that. Shrapnel may be enough, it has different form in different missiles, and even in different Buk missile variants. With enough pieces of shrapnel it should be possible to determine their shape, and shorten a list of possible missiles.

Also, it should be possible to guess where exactly a missile exploded by analysing shrapnel holes and especially grazing hits on airframe. Then it should be possible to guess the missile as well (they have a different guidance modes and their proximity fuses trigger in different conditions and at different ranges). At the very least, it should be easy to distinguish between a heavy SAM and lighter AAM. I don't understand why even that wasn't been done in a year.

[dannubis]

Because your former buddy-buddy eastern Ukrainian "freedom fighters" did their utmost best to conceal their involvement in this crime ?

[kentonio]

Corruption. As the saying goes, "only mass executions will save the motherland", but in reality it's not that simple. Yes, it's bad, but people live much better than in 1990-1999. So changing Putin to liberals is just not an option, we already learned the lesson.

When did you become such a bunch of pussies? Seriously, you try something for a few years and manage to completely **** it up despite other countries doing it just fine for centuries, and your take away is that its not your fault, its the system? Instead you'd rather bow down like a bunch of dogs to an authoritarian dictator who won't let your press report freely, won't allow opposition parties to provide a viable alternative, and has set your country against half the world. Yeah, good job there..

[Dinner]

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-33860374

In other news 2015 should be a good year for privitizations in the UK mostly financial services companies nationalized by the government during the Financial crisis. The goverent is actually expected to turn a net profit.

GreeCE would have done better privitize Nguyen companies five years ago but now is better than waiting. Not only will it raise much needed capital but it will also lessen the burden on public finances as the government will no longer have to come up with operating capital for those companies. That means money can better be spent on things the government actually needs to do.

Edit: Damn it, can some mod move this to the Greece thread?

[Bereta_Eder]

Well it's certaintly good to see that the UK privitized national energy companies and didn't implode so that's something.
A question to ask though:
after they were privitized,
did the energy bill for the average consumer go up or down?
was the services rented as trusthworthy and steady as before?