what happened to the großrossiya thread

[Ellestar]

So now if you walk through a shady part of town and get shot in a robbery attempt, it was your fault all along for being there.

If someone is responsible for your safety, and you're being shot, he's responsible for your safety anyway, especially if he sent you into unsafe area.

Then again, if you did it to save a couple of dollars on transit bills (like Malasian Airlines did, saving money on fuel instead of avoiding that zone, like other companies that were actually concerned about the safety of their passengers), then i would say it was your fault too, yes.

P.S. It's not really like a "shady part of town". It's more like a warzone, you know? If you, as a civilian, go to war on your own volition for no reason and get shot there, well, sucks to be you, i guess.

Well at least it seems we've moved on from which side shot down the plane to other scapegoats.

Well, West talks about tribunal and i give them some obvious targets for that tribunal. Actually, given that Ukraine is also into that tribunal idea, they may start on their own grounds right now, without any problems. It's a win-win for them, right?

I mean, it's interesting to see different versions of what happened, but i can't check them myself, and i don't know who is lying or mistaken, so it kinda gets old after a year. So they may as well start "tribunalling" with their tribunal idea, starting from the guys who sent a civilian plane into a warzone - it should be very easy to identify exact people responsible for it.

[Dinner]

At the very least Russia should compensate the families of the innocent civilians on the plane.

[Ellestar]

It is a shame Russia's planes keep crashing. They have had five crashes in just a few months. It appears old planes, poor maintenance, and Putin's new aggressive stance just doesn't work out very well for the Russian air force.

Actually, USA Air Force doesn't crash less either. It isn't even full list of crashes here...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_military_aircraft_%282010%E2%80%93present%29

[Ellestar]

At the very least Russia should compensate the families of the innocent civilians on the plane.

Wut? Why Russia of all countries?

[Ellestar]

I mean, let's see, who sent a plane there? Malaysia Airlines and Ukraine. Who shot it down? Either Ukrainian army or Ukrainian rebels. So far i don't see any "Russia" in that list.

[Proteus_MST]

I mean, let's see, who sent a plane there? Malaysia Airlines and Ukraine. Who shot it down? Either Ukrainian army or Ukrainian rebels. So far i don't see any "Russia" in that list.

If it was russia which supplied the BUK they definitely should be on the list

[Ellestar]

Ukrainian filmmaker Oleg Sentsov who was arrested in Crimea a few weeks after its annexation ... is on Trial in Russia ...
obviously he is accused of terrorism

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33607790

I assume he should better have stopped shooting russian soldiers with his camera

Also it seems like Sentsov is into Masochism, as he beat himself in his cell till he had bruises. At least the court claims so ... Sentsov himself however claims that he was beaten 24 hours by prison guards in order to force a confession.

Yeah, yeah, and in "democratic countries" people "suicdide themselves" till they're dead. Yeah, and get arrested for not signaling a lane change? http://time.com/3966220/sandra-bland-video/

It's nice to see that in Russia we arrest people for terrorism, not for lane change signals. And we don't kill them or torture (Guantamo) in jails either, like democratic countries do.

[Ellestar]

If it was russia which supplied the BUK they definitely should be on the list

Hmm, let's see, what about USA supplying arms to Taliban, ISIS and so on? Even if it happened, it don't see how exactly can you make Russia legally responsible, given that other countries are not held responsible for arming rebels in various countries.

[Dinner]

http://jezebel.com/russian-beauty-queens-title-revoked-because-turns-out-s-1719547060

Russian beauty queen winner has title taken away because she is a neo-Nazi. Russia sure does have a lot of neo-Nazis.

[Dinner]

Wut? Why Russia of all countries?

Because it was shot down by the Russia Army. Stop playing dumb.

[Dinner]

Actually, USA Air Force doesn't crash less either. It isn't even full list of crashes here...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...0%93present%29

Actually. It does. A LOT LESS OFTEN.

[Dinner]

Yeah, yeah, and in "democratic countries" people "suicdide themselves" till they're dead. Yeah, and get arrested for not signaling a lane change? http://time.com/3966220/sandra-bland-video/

It's nice to see that in Russia we arrest people for terrorism, not for lane change signals. And we don't kill them or torture (Guantamo) in jails either, like democratic countries do.

Liar. Russia makes routine use of torture. Not just the soft core stuff like waterboarding but actual torture. It is routine in Russia.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.irct.org/Admin/Public/Download.aspx%3Ffile%3DFiles%252FFiler%252Freports%2Bsurveys%252FNNCAT_torture_Russia.pdf&ved=0CDQQFjAGahUKEwjxi9SB9PDGAhWMzoAKHeCKAYY&usg=AFQjCNGpIuP7T4clpER1sL4E_7nv79pnfQ&sig2=PvHPWiDbU-SAPVxQh8cCeQ

[Ellestar]

http://jezebel.com/russian-beauty-qu...t-s-1719547060

Russian beauty queen winner has title taken away because she is a neo-Nazi. Russia sure does have a lot of neo-Nazis.

Surprisingly, it's the Europe that has constant protests against immigrants. They go as far as actually burning buildings down http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...645845,00.html
And yeah, all these shootings of afroamericans and the riots in USA...
And all that support of Nazis in Kiev... It even went to Western newspapers now, it's kinda hard to say they're not Nazis anymore.

Damn, why Russia again? Seriously, you have a lot of bigger problems at home. You already supported Ukrainians who burned down a building with civilians in Odessa, and now Germans burned down a building for immigrants without immigrants in it (this time, but who knows what will happen next?). And US police just outright murders afroamericans in numbers. Even if it's not an example of Nazis yet, you're on a brink of another disaster, that's for sure.

[Ellestar]

Because it was shot down by the Russia Army. Stop playing dumb.

Yeah, yeah, personally by Putin. Did you eat your brains for Dinner?

Actually. It does. A LOT LESS OFTEN.

Doesn't look that way to me~~~

Liar. Russia makes routine use of torture. Not just the soft core stuff like waterboarding but actual torture. It is routine in Russia.

Also, bears walk on our streets, we eat babies, Putin is an evil dictator and what are your other stupid fantasies?

[Ellestar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJr7zUXwBx8&hd=1

Stingers were found in Luhansk airport that was captured a year ago. So a year ago USA supplied Ukraine with lethal arms. Afghanistan and Taliban story all over again.

But of course the West tells us fairy tales about it http://www.defensenews.com/story/def...aine/70369946/ Yeah, yeah, like they didn't already do it.