what happened to the großrossiya thread

[Dinner]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-warns-sweden-it-will-face-military-action-if-it-joins-nato-10331397.html

Today Russia's ambassador to Sweden threatened the country with "military countermeasures" should the country decide to join NATO. Yeah, because threatening a country is sure to make it feel neutral and not seek safety in numbers.

[Proteus_MST]

Ukrainian filmmaker Oleg Sentsov who was arrested in Crimea a few weeks after its annexation ... is on Trial in Russia ...
obviously he is accused of terrorism

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33607790

I assume he should better have stopped shooting russian soldiers with his camera


Also it seems like Sentsov is into Masochism, as he beat himself in his cell till he had bruises. At least the court claims so ... Sentsov himself however claims that he was beaten 24 hours by prison guards in order to force a confession.

[Dinner]

And Serb wonders why his country is a joke to the rest of the world.

[Ellestar]

And Serb wonders why his country is a joke to the rest of the world.

The rest of the Western clowns, you mean? About half of the world's population is with us, in SCO. So good luck bucking yourselves in the asses into extinction in your dying West.

[Ellestar]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-10331397.html

Today Russia's ambassador to Sweden threatened the country with "military countermeasures" should the country decide to join NATO. Yeah, because threatening a country is sure to make it feel neutral and not seek safety in numbers.

Naturally, when a country changes it's status from a neutral to a member of the one and only hostile millitary alliance, it forces a military re-arrangement from a neighbourhood country. It's not "threatening", it's "stating the obvious".

[Ellestar]

Ukrainian filmmaker Oleg Sentsov who was arrested in Crimea a few weeks after its annexation ... is on Trial in Russia ...
obviously he is accused of terrorism

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33607790

I assume he should better have stopped shooting russian soldiers with his camera

Also it seems like Sentsov is into Masochism, as he beat himself in his cell till he had bruises. At least the court claims so ... Sentsov himself however claims that he was beaten 24 hours by prison guards in order to force a confession.

Well, maybe West should have thought about prosecuting murderers who did Odessa Massacre, or killed people in Maidan (one guy was caught red-handed with a sniper rifle, of all things, right there in the place - but he's "pro-european", so, naturally, noone cares), or kills civilians in cities with artillery every day...

Then, and only then, after years and years of honesty and goodwill, to repair a reputation after all these years of lies and defence of the murderers, the West will finally be able to regain at least some credibility and will be trusted enough to claim that someone is actually innocent.

So far, well, i heard Edward Snowden seeked refuge in Russia of all countries? It's kinda funny that a real freedom fighters actually pick Russia as a safe heaven. That basically sums it up which country has credibility and which don't.

[Proteus_MST]

You may haved missed the Memo, but Ukraina is neitgher part of NATO, nor part of the EU (despite wanting this).
Else they probably also would have gotten enough military material to force the russian backed separatists out of eastern ukraina

It also means that our influence on the way Ukraina handles its criminals is rather limited. Perhaps they would have already been charged and in jail if russia wouldn´t have instigated the eastern ukrainian uprisings. And perhaps it is in russias interest that the Maidan shooters haven´t been brought to trial yet.

At least it doesn´t seem like Ukraina captures innocent russian citizens in order to give them show trials under fake accusations

[Dinner]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-crisis-putin-is-obsessed-with-the-idea-of-testing-nato--and-the-baltics-will-be-next-says-odessa-governor-mikheil-saakashvili-10403298.html

It is good to see the Ukrainian government is thinking outside the box and really trying to crack down on corruption, the mafia, and oligarchs.

[Dinner]

Naturally, when a country changes it's status from a neutral to a member of the one and only hostile millitary alliance, it forces a military re-arrangement from a neighbourhood country. It's not "threatening", it's "stating the obvious".

It is not hostile. Russia is acting hostile but a defensive agreement is by definition defensive.

[Ellestar]

It also means that our influence on the way Ukraina handles its criminals is rather limited.

Sanctions? Support of the rebels (like you did or do in Lybia, Syria, Afganistan and so on)? Actually, the West has a lot of influence over independent countries, uncluding outright invasions, and West uses it more than anyone else in the world.

Perhaps they would have already been charged and in jail if russia wouldn´t have instigated the eastern ukrainian uprisings.

Yeah, yeah, let's see, MA17, West requests a tribunal for... for whom, anyway?

Now, let's see, who is responsible for an aircraft?

http://www.wkw.com/faq-videos/aviation-disasters/who-is-responsible-for-aircraft-crashes/

So, basically, air traffic control, manufacturer/maintenance and pilot. Manufacturer/maintenance is not a problem, given that a plane was shot down, pilot is dead anyway.

So that leaves us with air traffic control... And that was Dnipropetrovsk Air Control, controlled by Kiev, Ukraine. Aaaand i don't see any tribunals for people who sent a civilian plane into a warzone. A warzone where several military planes were shot down. A warzone where bombers bomb cities with civilians. A warzone where one side is disorganized guerilla (which multiplies probability of a shot down by mistake). A warzone where at least one Buk (supposedly in inoperable condition) was reported to be seized from a military base. A warzone where a Buk was seen... So where are all these responsible people, and why they aren't in jail yet? The more i listen to all this chatter about rebels having a Buk, the more i think, ok, then what about the responibility for people who sent a civilian plane there?

[Ellestar]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-10403298.html

It is good to see the Ukrainian government is thinking outside the box and really trying to crack down on corruption, the mafia, and oligarchs.

By appointing oligarch on a president post, right? That's an interesting way to crack down oligarchs, corruption and mafia - you just put one of oligarchs, corruptioneers and mafia in charge of a country

[Ellestar]

Instead the West shows us only comedian lawsuits like that: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...h-victims.html
I mean, seriously, not only it's laughable by itself, they also say he's "formally accused of orchestrating the shooting down of the Malaysia Airlines flight, MH17". Like, really? Orchestrating the shooting down of a civilian airplane? There are bombers flying above his head, and he's orchestrating the shooting down of a civilian airplane. Wow, really? Does he has nothing better to do?

Not only Igor Girkin is not responsible for that aircraft in any shape or form (again, it's a territory controlled by Dnipropetrovsk Air Control, and they're responsible for it - Donetsk and Luhansk don't have their own Air Control), they also accuse him of such a riduculous thing.

[rah]

Well at least it seems we've moved on from which side shot down the plane to other scapegoats.

[N35t0r]

So now if you walk through a shady part of town and get shot in a robbery attempt, it was your fault all along for being there.

[pchang]

So now if you walk through a shady part of town and get shot in a robbery attempt, it was your fault all along for being there.

Yes. But only in or near Russia.