Bill Maher: Islam is inherently worse than other religions.

[Felch]

Of the big three, Islam is probably the most diverse religion. Blanket statements about that group of people is absolute mental retardation.

Islam is diverse. Here are the varying viewpoints of five of the largest schools of Islamic law on apostasy:

Hanafi - recommends three days of imprisonment before execution, although the delay before killing the Muslim apostate is not mandatory. Apostates who are men must be killed, states the Hanafi Sunni fiqh, while women must be held in solitary confinement and beaten every three days till they recant and return to Islam.

Maliki - allows up to ten days for recantation, after which the apostate must be killed. Both men and women apostates deserve death penalty according to the traditional view of Sunni Maliki fiqh.

Shafi'i - waiting period of three days is required to allow the Muslim apostate to repent and return to Islam. After the wait, execution is the traditional recommended punishment for both men and women apostates.

Hanbali - waiting period not necessary, but may be granted. Execution is traditional recommended punishment for both genders of Muslim apostates.

Ja'fari - waiting period not necessary, but may be granted according to this Shia fiqh. Male apostate must be executed, states the Jafari fiqh, while a female apostate must be held in solitary confinement and beaten every day at the hours of the ṣalāh, till she repents and returns to Islam.

Frankly, I can't find any actual purpose for this discussion, other than it's an opportunity for racist ass people to fly their flag.

Seriously Felch, your behavior in this thread is definitely face punch worthy.

Again, your minority definition of racism is retarded and dishonest. I oppose a self-selecting group because they deny people their human rights. That is not racism.

[Felch]

Ah yes, as long as we ignore all the members of that group who don't.

That's fine by me. But let's not conflate those who respect human rights with the entirety of the Ummah, and let's also not ignore the victims around the world whose rights are being trampled.

[Sava]

Islam is diverse. Here are the varying viewpoints of five of the largest schools of Islamic law on apostasy:

Again, your minority definition of racism is retarded and dishonest. I oppose a self-selecting group because they deny people their human rights. That is not racism.

Here is why you are stupid.

You are using an ancient text to judge an entire group of people.

Also, people are born into their culture. It's not "self-selecting".

That's straight up racism. Don't be a bitch and deny it. Own it.

[DinoDoc]

It might qualify as bigotry but it most certainly isn't racism.

[Elok]

How exactly does one measure a religion's degree of diversity, anyway?

[Bereta_Eder]

by oral sex and dancing, obviously.

[Ben Kenobi]

that medieval attitudes in medieval countries span many if not all of the religions.

Oh, which is why we see Christians in the middle east suicide bombing the crap outta everybody else.

[Ben Kenobi]

You are using an ancient text to judge an entire group of people.

Uh, isn't that what you do to Christians?

[Ben Kenobi]

Islam is diverse. Here are the varying viewpoints of five of the largest schools of Islamic law on apostasy

Maybe Sava's missed the part where Islam says that owning slaves is fine.

[Sava]

It might qualify as bigotry but it most certainly isn't racism.

This again?

Congratulations, you don't know what words mean.

[Felch]

Here is why you are stupid.

You are using an ancient text to judge an entire group of people.

I'm using the current laws in 23 countries, and the results of polling by the PEW Foundation to judge an entire group of people. I am establishing causation through ancient texts, which are the rationalization used by all 23 countries and which are regarded as sacred and inerrant by the PEW poll respondents.

Also, people are born into their culture. It's not "self-selecting".

Wouldn't it be lovely if Muslims were free to leave Islam? Instead of being threatened with imprisonment or even death? I'd love that. Then I guess it would be self-selecting.

That's straight up racism. Don't be a bitch and deny it. Own it.

Again, you are using an inaccurate definition of racism. According to the UN

the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin that has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.

Since my objection to Islam is based on its rejection of human rights, I'm actually the opposite of a racist. You're the one defending an institution that rejects the UDHR. You are on the side of evil. I don't object to people believing in one God or believe that Mohammed is His prophet. I object to those people who use their religion as an excuse to deny people basic human rights.

If PEW polled Muslims and found that virtually none of them supported the death penalty for apostasy, I'd have no problem with Islam. If Islam weren't used as an excuse to treat women like second class citizens, I'd have no problem with Islam. If Islam weren't used as an excuse to punish minority religious groups, I'd have no problem with Islam. I judge people based on their beliefs and actions. Their ethnicity has nothing to do with it.

[Dinner]

Because idiotic bigotry doesn't come as naturally to me as it does you.

Don't give me that bull ****. You claimed anyone who raised this issue wanted to kill all Muslims which was a bull crap claim. That's why it became necessary to point out that those people are advocating a change in behavior and not your sick fantasies.

[Bereta_Eder]

It might qualify as bigotry but it most certainly isn't racism.

social racism

[Elok]

If dislike of an explicitly transracial religion counts as racism, I'm not sure what doesn't. Hell, Christian social conservatism is deeply ingrained in the culture of certain parts of America; Sava's a racist by his own logic.

[Berzerker]

Islam aint a race, opposing it aint racism

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