Bill Maher: Islam is inherently worse than other religions.

[Sava]

[Elok]

When your current situation involves being beaten constantly with the everpresent threat of being killed on a whim, I doubt there's much that's going to seem that scary compared to the chance of freedom, however small a chance that might be.

I'm not denying the emotional appeal of slave revolts. Only their ultimate wisdom. You're talking about a group of illiterate people, most of whom have never been more than a mile or so from the property where they live and work. None of them have any experience with firearms, and they're unlikely to find more than a handful of guns and sparse ammo by raiding the big house. A few--stablehands and such--might know something about handling horses, so that's something, but basically you're talking about a group with no chance at all against professional soldiers. A slave revolt would be essentially a mass suicide pact. I guess the advantage is, you can probably kill every whitey on the estate before you go.

On the off chance that a slave revolt ignited a wide-scale slave revolt, you would have a race war across several states. Whole estates full of slaves would be cut down to keep it from spreading. When the inevitable atrocity stories came out in the Northern press, it would set the abolitionist movement back at least a decade. It's hard to say how long it would take the conflict to end, but when it did black people in the South would be no better off. Certainly there would be far fewer of them.

[ricketyclik]

Felch: again with the medieval nations. U Islamaphobes keep talking about Egypt & Saudi, while ignoring Indonesia, Bangladesh, Pakistan et all. BK: 1 Muslim moronic act in Australia is representative of a population of hundreds of thousands? You're both guilty of pro mulga ting the same fallacy - that some = all. It's those sort of sweeping generalisations that earn people the label bigot.

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[Elok]

I don't know that I'd lift up Indonesia as a model of tolerance. Our church there has to routinely bribe the local zealots to avoid being burned to the ground.

[ricketyclik]

There r plenty of Mosque-raising threats here in Australia. I don't regard those as representative of my society.

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[Ben Kenobi]

BK: 1 Muslim moronic act in Australia is representative of a population of hundreds of thousands?

Why not? One engineer you've met is an anecdote. There is substantial support among muslims in Australia to introduce Sharia law.

You're both guilty of pro mulga ting the same fallacy - that some = all. It's those sort of sweeping generalisations that earn people the label bigot.

How is it a sweeping generalization that I can show there is broad and substantial support for Sharia in Australia. I quoted one of your erstwhile scholars who says the same thing.

Feel free to label factual arguments you don't like as bigotry.

[DinoDoc]

Felch: again with the medieval nations. U Islamaphobes keep talking about Egypt & Saudi, while ignoring Indonesia, Bangladesh, Pakistan et all.

Do you really want to hold up Pakistan as your counter example?

[Ben Kenobi]

There r plenty of Mosque-raising threats here in Australia

Well then, ricketyclik, time to provide some evidence for that assertion. There is significant evidence that Indonesia is torching Christian churches.

[Felch]

Do you really want to hold up Pakistan as your counter example?

Bangladesh even has a rising Islamist movement, one that according to The Guardian coalesced around a rejection of women's rights.

I seriously get the feeling that ricketyclik is seriously naive about the world outside Australia.

[Felch]

Felch: again with the medieval nations. U Islamaphobes keep talking about Egypt & Saudi, while ignoring Indonesia, Bangladesh, Pakistan et all. BK: 1 Muslim moronic act in Australia is representative of a population of hundreds of thousands? You're both guilty of pro mulga ting the same fallacy - that some = all. It's those sort of sweeping generalisations that earn people the label bigot.

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Also, in case you're curious, Indonesia, Bangladesh, and Pakistan are all signatories of the Cairo Declaration.

For the record, I'm not making any sort of "some = all" fallacy. I'm carefully describing the real world situation, and I've supported my position with polling data, the CDHRI, apostasy laws, and Islamic scriptures. You're the one who is trying to generalize 1.6 billion people based on your personal experience with a few engineers in Australia.

[kentonio]

Awww, you got a thanks from Ben. Now you know you must be on the right track.

[Felch]

Awww, you got a thanks from Ben. Now you know you must be on the right track.

If I weren't on the right track, you'd have a cogent counter-argument. Right?

[Sava]

For the record, I'm not making any sort of "some = all" fallacy.

That's actually exactly what you are doing.

[Felch]

I appreciate the anecdote, and I too have met and been friends with a number of Muslims. But there are three important things to take into account. First, the Muslims we meet are the exceptional ones, the globetrotters, the best educated, and the most open minded. It's what brings them to America or Australia.

One of these days, Sava, you're going to learn how to read. And everything will be so much clearer to you then.

[Felch]

There are Muslims who are okay with apostasy, just as there are Catholics who are cool with contraception. That doesn't mean that Islam is okay with apostasy anymore than the Catholic Church is cool with contraception.