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  • Originally posted by Lorizael View Post
    Also, self esteem low today. Pretty sure I don't get this whole statistical thermodynamics thing. Hoping for a C, otherwise I'll have to retake it. Which might not be a bad thing. Not fond of the professor's style, though my lack of understanding is definitely not his fault.
    The concept is not too hard. We have a way to aggregate the collective behavior of lots of small things to come up with gross measurements of large things like pressure and temperature. The methods involve statistics because they rely upon the fact that those collections of small things have normal distributions.
    “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

    ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

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    • Well, I've taken most of a semester of it now. I understand the basic idea. I think the problem is that this class doesn't really build on the earlier physics I've taken and many of the values we're deriving don't have any physical meaning for me. For example, my intuition tells me nothing about the Gibbs free energy of some gas.
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      • Lori, don't waste time trying to use your intuition in statistics. It's all about the math. Whatever the math tells you is what you should go with.
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        • Originally posted by Lorizael View Post
          Well, I've taken most of a semester of it now. I understand the basic idea. I think the problem is that this class doesn't really build on the earlier physics I've taken and many of the values we're deriving don't have any physical meaning for me. For example, my intuition tells me nothing about the Gibbs free energy of some gas.
          There was an interesting article in Wired about the physicist who consulted on Interstellar. One of the concepts they talked about was the importance of being able to intuit complex physically phenomena. You could know the math, but until you really intuit the concept, you don't really understand it.

          Here it is:

          By the time Christopher Nolan signed up to direct Interstellar and started rewriting its script, astrophysicist Kip Thorne had been working with Nolan's brother, Jonathan (who goes by Jonah), on getting his ideas onto film for years. When Chris and Thorne met, they quickly found common ground: Thorne wanted science in the story, and Nolan wanted the story to emerge from science. So in Interstellar, time dilation—the passing of time at different rates for different observers—became an emotional obstacle between a father and his daughter. Quantum gravity, the reconciliation of relativity and quantum mechanics, became the plot's central mystery. The visual effects team even collaborated with Thorne to make sure their depictions of a black hole were accurate as well as elegant.


          NOLAN: I wanted to break the light barrier, as I called it. And Kip wasn’t having any of that. That went on for a couple of weeks.

          THORNE: I gave him a document where I laid out the reasons it couldn’t work. We had a couple of conversations, and he backed down.

          NOLAN: We had more than a couple of conversations. What he’s not telling you is, I finally managed to get my head around relativity. I don’t mean a full understanding of it. I mean a glimpse of a feeling, you know? Like when you’re trying to play an instrument and you happen to hit the right chord? So I said, “You know what? I agree. Nothing can travel faster than the speed of light.” And he goes, “Yeah, well, in localized regions it can’t,” or something. And I’m like, wait a second! Every rabbit hole has another rabbit hole at the bottom of it, and another rabbit hole.

          “The thing I most wanted was that the film have real science embedded in it—a range of science, from well-established truths to speculative science.” —Kip Thorne DAN WINTERS
          WIRED: He incepted you with relativity.

          NOLAN: Oh, very much. I lost it pretty rapidly afterward. Jonah says that through working with Kip, he finally grasped relativity for a couple of weeks, and then the writers’ strike happened and he had to stop writing, and it was gone. I know exactly what he means. It’s like a little window opening up. That’s why the relationship between storytelling and the scientific method fascinates me. It wasn’t really about an intellectual understanding. It was a feeling of grasping something.

          THORNE: You call it a feeling; I would call it an intuition. And this isn’t just for nonscientists. Yakov Borisovich Zel’dovich, one of the really great astrophysicists of the 20th century and a codesigner of the Russian hydrogen bomb, was a close friend of mine. He could not grasp how Hawking radiation comes out of black holes, even though he had given Stephen Hawking the key idea that underlies the concept in a conversation the three of us had. For about two years, he could not make it fit with his intuition. Then, one time I was in Moscow and I went over to his flat. He threw up his hands and said, “I understand! I give up. Hawking was right.” He finally understood it in an intuitive way.

          WIRED: Is that different than understanding the math?

          THORNE: Very different. The math was there. The math was straightforward. Well, let me take that back—those are two different things. The math was there, and the steps in the math were straightforward, but interpreting the math was not so clear. And how you use the math depends very heavily on this intuition. It’s a key part of the scientist’s arsenal, as it is for the storyteller’s arsenal.
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          • And you'll also hear cautionary tales from scientists about how intuition can lead you astray, because there are some things our tiny monkey brains simply weren't evolved to think about.
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            • Try this explanation

              Originally posted by Lorizael View Post
              Well, I've taken most of a semester of it now. I understand the basic idea. I think the problem is that this class doesn't really build on the earlier physics I've taken and many of the values we're deriving don't have any physical meaning for me. For example, my intuition tells me nothing about the Gibbs free energy of some gas.
              Most likely, the first chemical reactions you studied in school moved in one direction; for example, vinegar poured into baking soda to make a "volcano." In reality, most reactions should be illustrated with an arrow pointing in each direction, meaning the reaction could go both ways. Ascertaining the Gibbs free energy of a system offers a way to determine whether one arrow is much larger than the other; i.e., does the reaction almost always go in one direction, or are they are both close to the same size? In the latter case, the reaction is just as likely to go one way as the other.


              Perhaps that will help you think about Gibbs free energy. Remember that all the molecules have some energy and that this energy distribution is a normal distribution.
              “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

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              • Well, that was just an example, but thank you. I'm gonna have to go back to the textbook and reread some of the stuff I'm having trouble with.
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                • Originally posted by Lorizael View Post
                  And you'll also hear cautionary tales from scientists about how intuition can lead you astray, because there are some things our tiny monkey brains simply weren't evolved to think about.
                  Maybe theirs weren't
                  “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
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                  • Lori, everything in the universe follows one deceptively simple rule. Once you figure that out you're set.
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                    • Oh, I figured that out 11.5 years ago. The trick is figuring out how to apply simple rules to complex situations.
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                      • I have found great success with both Particle in Cell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle-in-cell and Monte Carlo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monte_Carlo_method simulations.
                        “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

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                        • Originally posted by DaShi View Post
                          Lori, everything in the universe follows one deceptively simple rule. Once you figure that out you're set.
                          Do tell

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                          • In my continuing effort to bang TA, I have thoroughly cleaned my room for the first time in probably a year. Got rid of a bunch of boxes, put away a bunch of papers, swept up a bunch of dust, etc. Kind of nice to have a clean room. Don't feel entirely like a grotesque, filth-ridden slob.
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                            • Sounds to me like a big step. Well done.
                              It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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                              • Originally posted by Lorizael View Post
                                In my continuing effort to bang TA, I have thoroughly cleaned my room for the first time in probably a year. Got rid of a bunch of boxes, put away a bunch of papers, swept up a bunch of dust, etc. Kind of nice to have a clean room. Don't feel entirely like a grotesque, filth-ridden slob.
                                Keeping my living space tidy is something I really struggle with. It takes a lot of effort for me to come home from work and not rot on the computer.
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