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As far as I can recall from basic anatomy, anal sex isn't confined to gay men- heterosexuals do it too. In fact in some countries unfortunate enough to have a mainly Catholic culture, I believe it's often used instead of contraception.
Most likely based on your personality, if your posts are anything to go by. If you don't have a big tattoo on your forehead proclaiming your disability
then it's unlikely in the extreme that you'll have experienced anything like the same prejudice and discrimination that an average African American faces- it's not simply the day to day stuff, it's the accumulation of it in that society.
5 percent of folks with my disability go on to complete university. Black people are actually overrepresented at the college level for enrollment but are less likely to finish. So about 15 percent of black people have a degree. That's 3x the rate of folks like me.
If only 5 percent of black folks were graduating with a degree, there would be such a stink about it. Nobody cares about deaf folks -there's not enough for us to matter. The other interesting thing is that only about 1 quarter of all students with a disability actually qualify. 3/4ths of the folks on the 'disability' rolls are there because of ADHD. The simple fact is, if you have a disability, any disability, you are profoundly unlikely to get into college and even less likely to finish.
I like how your response blithely ignored the point of course- that certain kinds of discrimination as doled out by self-proclaimed Christians are no longer acceptable- because society has evolved.
Similarly, we longer have the deeply unpleasant routine anti-semitism as displayed previously by the Roman Catholic hierarchy or political parties. Small mercies, I suppose.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Lots of heterosexual marriages don't result in children.
Are gay people infertile? No? Then you concede that there's a difference between infertility and choosing not to have children. And yes, I agree that those choosing not to have children are doing it wrong as well. Lumping those folks in who want children but are infertile with gay people is wrong.
In any case, marriage was more about property than fecundity
, although of course if you were dynastically minded and the Pope was scared of yoru big armies, he might let you have an annulment. Of course if you were really powerful, you could just ignore him, and ditch the missus for the mistress.
Shall I just point out that the collection of texts we call the Bible aren't a set of instructions from IKEA ?
What part of scripture is supposed to be taken literally?
those ten commandments that Christians seem to have such trouble observing for instance.
Well that would depend on whether you have the distorted historically invalid notion that marriage was solely about f*cking and spawning.
Please show me where Jesus says this, anywhere in scripture and I will concede that you are right.
The fact that in many Western countries a woman could not own property in her own right if she were married (as late as the 19th Century) should tip you off about what the underlying aim of the union was.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostWhere does the Bible claims that Jesus lived with dinosaurs?
Now why does it matter? You're taking what the author said about dinosaurs and ignoring what he said about Ishmael's sons founding various peoples and towns as documented by pre-Islamic writers. You said that documentation didn't exist... Is the Bible wrong about everything if its wrong about anything? Thats the standard you're using to discredit the author instead of addressing his argument.
It's not a command. He didn't tell David, "You must take two wives". He says that as a concession, as proof how much he loves David that , "if that were not enough I would give you all his wives."
You're ignoring Deut 25
If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.
God also knows what will happen to Uriah which is why he says this to David. To make us understand that it has nothing with 'not having enough sheep', but everything to do with, "stealing the one sheep from the poor to add to the herd." THAT is why God is furious with David.
That's not what Muslims claim. Muslims claim that they are children of Ishmael just like Jews are children of Isaac.
Now you said we were made for marriage and that means one man and one woman. Did Jesus and his disciples marry? I think you've just accused Jesus and his disciples of sin for not living up to your ideals.
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostThe actual text also refers to sodomites by name. So, again. You're trying to dodge it. Appealing to the Greek isn't going to help you when the Greek is more explicit than the English.
We could digress about how you're interpreting the Greek to suit your own viewpoint, but that's fairly obvious.
So yes, I do have a 'tattoo' on my forehead.
Yeah, short hair and hearing aids- the equivalent of having black skin. I'm so bored with your self-pity party.
I have had a professor go on about 'how he wasn't going to teach, and didn't have to teach folks like me.'
Nobody cares about deaf folks
When do we start giving white Christians credit?
Perhaps it hasn't reached Texas yet.
Hey, you and the Klan share something in common.Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostFallacy of the undivided middle. You're not distinguishing causes from effects.
Are gay people infertile?
To whom?
What part of scripture is supposed to be taken literally?
Revelation of an apocalyptic endtime as opposed to a lot of absurd rules about what clothing to wear, which crops to sow, or what you can or can't eat. Yeah, I'd say even a fairly loose reading might clue you in as to which was metaphorical and which was a set of guidelines cobbled together for itinerant sheep and goat herders.
Please show me where Jesus says this, anywhere in scripture and I will concede that you are right.
THIS appears in scriptureVive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.
...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915
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If Jesus is God and God created dinosaurs, then Jesus was around when they lived
Thats the standard you're using to discredit the author instead of addressing his argument.
It wasn't a concession, it was a gift - a blessing from God - and you dont say no to God. Was God sinning when he gave David many wives or was David sinning for accepting the gift?
If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.
Then Uriah aint relevant to polygamy, David stole somebody's wife - apparently its okay for God to steal wives for David but it aint okay if David does the stealing.
Then Muslims do make that claim
Did Jesus and his disciples marry? I think you've just accused Jesus and his disciples of sin for not living up to your ideals.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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His ideals do differ from Jesus. Quite substantially.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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I'm not appealing to the 'Greek': however (by the way, when did you learn New Testament Greek ?)
Paul was a Hellenized Jew, supposedly from a city that was a centre of Stoic thought, and a citizen of Rome. Romans (as you evidently are unaware) distinguished between acts that were proper for a freeborn male to commit and those that were not
- they did not see it as either being gay or heterosexual.
They even had particular terminology to distinguish between whether one was the 'active' or the 'passive' partner. No opprobrium attached to being the active one of coure, since that was seen as being the more masculine option....
We could digress about how you're interpreting the Greek to suit your own viewpoint, but that's fairly obvious.
Yeah, short hair and hearing aids- the equivalent of having black skin. I'm so bored with your self-pity party.
So how do you know (or for that matter, more importantly, how do WE know) he was referring to your disability ?
Yeah, we don't have a society for people with a hearing disability in the U.K., places for the deaf community to meet, or respected high visibility deaf campaigners such as Jack Ashley. Oooppsy, I meant we have/had all those and more. See the problem is I know people who were either born deaf or acquired a hearing disability, so your sob story just isn't working.
Oh that's so funny. You mean the idea that William Wilberforce isn't talked about as being a Christian in his connection with the anti-slavery movement is widespread in the United States ?
Perhaps it's just the sloppy history that's taught there. Over here the Clapham Sect have books and television programmes made about them- and films, such as the recent 'Amazing Grace' directed by Michael Apted.
Perhaps it hasn't reached Texas yet.
I'm not anti-Catholic- I'm quite fond of a lot of Catholics, even my cousin, the priest.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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No, I'm simply correcting part of your assertion that the overriding purpose of marriage is propagation. You haven't shown this is the case
Procreation may take place in a marriage- or it may take place and frequently does, outside.
Some are, some aren't- just like heterosexuals.
Umm, to those people who had to enact legislation like the Married Women's Property Act, poltroon. I like how you blithely ignore hundreds of years of Western inequality in favour of drivelling on about that well known married person from Nazareth
... Acts like those helped distinguish women as property owning individuals separate from their husbands at last. The clue is in the title, by the way.
Not the Book of Revelation for a start. It should be blindingly obvious even to someone as professionally obtuse as you, that there's a big difference between the style and thrust of that text and say, Leviticus.
snips irrelevant rant on RevelationsOh that's funny. I'm talking about how marriage actually took place and the reasons underlying it, you're wittering on about the Nazarene again. Boring.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Wrap around my ass.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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