Here's a hint, Muhammed claimed this for the same reason as Joseph Smith claimed it.
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Considering that Justin Martyr still spoke of their existence in the 2nd century, I assume they intermarried with other folks and a great Mesopotamian blend occurred.Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostWhat happens to the Ammonites?
You mean the conservative NIV that is used by many Anglicans and Presbyterians, who are obviously super liberalsSo you're saying that my citation of the NIV, (which is used by conservative Evangelicals), is less viable among Conservatives than your liberal translation. I see. Fun game, Imran.
. NLT is a conservative evangelical translation. To call it a "liberal translation" is to be stunningly ignorant.
The fun part is that if you read your NIV test the "custom" part comes right after "children".
The Vulgate doesn't use the best in Biblical scholarship (ie, the Dead Sea Scrolls are unknown to it). I'll use translations to go to the oldest Greek and Hebrew, rather than some Latin piss.I'm intrigued to know that the Old Testament was written in English.
The Vulgate is much older and much closer to the date of composition than the English translation in the NIV. And the Vulgate has that passage that (oddly enough), the liberal New Living Translation omits.
Curious that.
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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Yay for stepping right into this (it was way too easy)!!!Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostThat's an argument from silence. If Arabs really were descended from Ishmael, why don't Arab Christians claim this prior to Muhammed?
Some Pre-Islamic poetry mentions Ishmael, his father Abraham, and the sacrifice story, such as the Pre-Islamic poet "Umayyah Ibn Abi As-Salt", who said in one of his poems: بكره لم يكن ليصبر عنه أو يراه في معشر أقتال ([The sacrifice] of his first-born of whose separation he [Abraham] could not bear neither could he see him surrounded in foes).[17][18][19]
"Zayd Ibn Amr" was another Pre-Islamic figure who refused idolatry and preached monotheism, claiming it was the original belief of their [Arabs] father Ishmael.[20][21]
Also, some of the tribes of Central West Arabia called themselves the "people of Abraham and the offspring of Ishmael", as evidenced by a common opening of speeches and harangues of reconciliation between rival tribes in that area.[22][23]“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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We have evidence in this thread showing the same people who are rude and hostile to me are also rude and hostile to Nikolai. For the exact same reason, they believe his beliefs (and my beliefs) are stupid. They are willing to apologize so that they can save face. Not because they are actually sorry but they know that this entire facade collapses unless they treat Nikolai differently from me.Nikolai believes a lot of the same stuff as you. People do not think Nikolai is a lying scumbag with no moral compass or human empathy. Put your victim card away, you're embarrassing yourself.
Christianity is 'vile filth'?Lots of repulsive bigots also spread their vile filth without resorting to personal attacks.
The only bigots here are conservative Christians. This is a fact.This not not make them any less bigoted or repulsive.
When the person warns them saying that "this won't end well", is that a personal attack?Just a hint though, when you drop into someones thread celebrating their engagement and **** all over it, that is a form of personal attack.
Where's the evidence? You said, "I was afraid to challenge", and here you are without evidence.You are a compulsive liar. Would you care to disagree?
Hey if you submit it you might make "Apolyton's top 100 insults!"Absolutely. You are everything that is wrong with the world rolled up into a single waste of human body parts.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Your source for this is... Wikipedia? Not a reliable source!
Let's dig into the citations...
First source dates to the 8th century.
Second source is Ibn Kaldun writing in the 14th century.
Third source:
"The Signs of Prophethood" Ooh. That sounds like a reliable source!
Fourth Source
"The Collection of the Speeches of Arabs"
No ISBN Number, no reference anywhere. Gosh. All the sources are Islamic and the earliest dates to the eighth century. Next?Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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It is also a bible endorsed by that great liberal, Billy GrahamSo, now comes the inevitable question: Would I recommend the NLT Chronological Life Application Study Bible? I would, but not because of some forlorn loyalty to the translation who kept me reading Scripture. Nor would I because I was provided this as a review copy. There is nothing to actually make me recommended a bible except for the fact that it is a good one. Yes, it is geared to more conservative Christians, including a Christian Worker’s Resource Guide that is, in fact, not about labor unions. Yes, it is deeply evangelical. But it is a solid translation for reading.
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“The Life Application Study Bible is a great step forward in helping Christians apply the Bible’s life-changing message in their own lives.”
Dr. Billy Graham
Billy Graham Evangelistic Association“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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So you have no reasonable response. Check.Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostYour source for this is... Wikipedia? Not a reliable source!“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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Numbers states that they were dispossessed. Gosh. That sounds like they found favor from God because of incest!Considering that Justin Martyr still spoke of their existence in the 2nd century, I assume they intermarried with other folks and a great Mesopotamian blend occurred.
It's a liberal translation. It's got Gender inclusive language.NLT is a conservative evangelical translation. To call it a "liberal translation" is to be stunningly ignorant.
The fun part is when I read the Vulgate, it includes sections that the 'conservative' New Liberal Translation excludes. One would think that a 'conservative' translation would be faithful to earlier translations.The fun part is that if you read your NIV test the "custom" part comes right after "children".
True, it uses sources that are no longer extant. It had the original Septuagint.The Vulgate doesn't use the best in Biblical scholarship
The Greek says the same thing. You'd rather use English inclusive language piss and lie about it being 'conservative'. No, it's not a 'conservative translation'.(ie, the Dead Sea Scrolls are unknown to it). I'll use translations to go to the oldest Greek and Hebrew, rather than some Latin piss.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Of the four 'sources', only two are actually citations, and of the two, one is from the 14th century and another is from the 9th century. All are Islamic. All postdate Muhammed confirming my statement that Islam made this up for the same reason Joseph Smith made it up.So you have no reasonable response. Check.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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It's got inclusive language. It's not a 'conservative' translation, no matter what the ad copy you cite claims. I *was* an Evangelical, and we had "New Liberal Translations" available back then too. Just as liberal then as now.It is also a bible endorsed by that great liberal, Billy GrahamScouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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He's defending the honor of Islam!So Imran. Are you just bored? Why do you bother with him?Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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The Israelites were never dispossessed of their land? What was that whole exile thing about again?Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostNumbers states that they were dispossessed. Gosh. That sounds like they found favor from God because of incest!
Hate to break it to you (not really), so does the NIV now.It's a liberal translation. It's got Gender inclusive language.
It is. Earlier GREEK and HEBREW translations. Or, what, you think the Dead Sea Scrolls were big news because they were a later translation?The fun part is when I read the Vulgate, it includes sections that the 'conservative' New Liberal Translation excludes. One would think that a 'conservative' translation would be faithful to earlier translations.
You mean the late 2nd Century Greek translation of the Hebrew Old Testament? There is a reason why the vast majority of translations use the Masoretic Text - which is, you know, actually in Hebrew (Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia is the one used by translators these days). Why magnify translation eras by translating a translation - of course you are translating a translation of a translation? And the Dead Sea Scrolls dated to the BC era - the Septuagint had no idea they existed.True, it uses sources that are no longer extant. It had the original Septuagint.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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I dunno. But after he just basically said Billy Graham was a liberal, he's really gone off the dead end.Originally posted by Sava View PostSo Imran. Are you just bored? Why do you bother with him?“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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They were dispossessed when they sinned and abandoned God. Dispossession of their land was seen as divine disfavor. By everybody, not just the Jews.The Israelites were never dispossessed of their land? What was that whole exile thing about again?
Yeah, I *was* an Evangelical. It bothered me then. It bothers me now. It's all connected. The same folks championing inclusive language are the same folks saying that 'being gay is ok'. The benefit of Catholicism is that if I want to look up a Clementine Vulgate, I can!Hate to break it to you (not really), so does the NIV now.
The Dead Sea Scrolls confirmed that the Vulgate (as well as the Greek manuscripts such as Codex Vaticanus), are accurate. I hate to break it to you, but the reason the Dead Sea Scrolls are so important is because they are close to 1000 years older than the previous oldest extant Hebrew manuscript. This is the problem with Erasmus. He jettisoned most of the historical documents to put out 'his' bible. And Luther et al took him up on it.It is. Earlier GREEK and HEBREW translations. Or, what, you think the Dead Sea Scrolls were big news because they were a later translation?
Yessir. He had the original or an early copy of it which was still extant in the fourth century. He also had the Hexapla, which is Origen's massive compilation. Neither of which are extant today. We have Greek manuscripts that go back to the early 4th century that are even older than the Vulgate. The Codex Vaticanus is still the best complete manuscript out there.You mean the late 2nd Century Greek translation of the Hebrew Old Testament?
Which is also no earlier than the 10th, or 11th centuries. That reason being that they are not Catholic. They are willing to use inferior sources. We are not.There is a reason why the vast majority of translations use the Masoretic Text
Umm, the Septuagint is older than the Dead Sea scrolls.And the Dead Sea Scrolls dated to the BC era - the Septuagint had no idea they existed.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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