Texan Bigotry

[molly bloom]

If polygamy were the norm and the ideal, why was there just Adam and Eve?

Except if one looks at nature and human societies the world over, there are many different ways of propagating, forming unions and arranging society. Let alone the fact that the myth of 'Adam & Eve' is hardly meant to be taken literally, except by really obtuse & stupid people in losing arguments.


Like you.

Modern marriage and romance has more to do with Mediaeval courtly love and romances- themselves based on garbled Celtic legends and Islamic tales.

[Sava]

why was there just Adam and Eve?

Uhmm. Quick question BK... do you believe literally that all of humanity is descended from two people?

[molly bloom]

So how is 'social interest' harmed by a Christian baker advising a gay person that he needs to find another baker?

I'm wondering if Sister Bendy of Apartheid is at all familiar with the history of the struggle to achieve racial equality in the U.S. . When black people could not be served at the same counter as white, or order from the same hatch as whites, or drink from the same fountain, use the same schools....

the people framing and enforcing those discriminatory laws thought of themselves as law-abiding Christians. Even the ones who strung up black men, mutilated their genitals and then set fire to their bodies- the souvenir postcards sold aftre show happy smiling family ouitings. White family outings, of course.

Which part of their firmly held Christian beliefs undeprinned those laws and acts, Sister Bendy ? Would that be the 'love they neighbour' part, the 'thou shalt not kill' part, or the ideas behind the parable of the Good Samaritan ?

[molly bloom]

If they were made for it why are they men?

As an ancient Roman pointed out, if the penis were 'made' for the vagina, it would be shaped more like a hatchet. I've been with the same partner since 1984, Sister Bendy. What's your endurance record like ? More in the Britney Spears category ?

[molly bloom]

If Paul was only condemning homosexual acts between grown men and young boys, why wouldn't he have said so? Instead he talks of men committing shameful acts with other men. It wouldn't have made a big difference in word count for him to say, "While sexual acts between consenting adults are fine, fucking little kids is wrong."

I also think it's strange that Paul would have injected so much subtext into a letter he was writing to people he'd never met in person. When I'm communicating with people I've never met, I try to be as clear and unambiguous as possible. Even here, where most of us have been posting for over a decade, it's sometimes hard for people to pick up on jokes.

Face facts. Paul wasn't ELCA.

Do you read New Testament Greek ? If not, then what you're reading in a biblical text is a translation of what an author wrote. Also, Paul (or whoever) wrote specifically at a time and in a particular society- and many if not most same sex realtionships at that time were of the Hellenistic adult male-boy ephebe type. One has only to look at the famous case of the Emperor Hadrian and Antinous for instance. But I forget- you know all about the history fo same sex relationships down the ages....

[molly bloom]

Perhaps you should take the time to read my patron St. Hilary of Tours.

Too busy flicking through Gay Times.

Did Hilary do a picture book ?

[molly bloom]

Is this supposed to be ironic because your hearing sucks...?

Yeah, 'cos it's a metaphor for his comprehension. Or lack of.

If hardline Presbyterians wanted a poster boy for reasons not to join the Catholic Church, they should copy and paste and disseminate widely Sister Bendy's bile beans.

[Nikolai]

Uhmm. Quick question BK... do you believe literally that all of humanity is descended from two people?

Can't answer for Ben, but I do. And so do many (most?) Christians.

[rah]

Do most christians also belief that it's immoral for brothers and sisters to have sex and propagate.
If so.......................

[Nikolai]

Yes. Today it is. Back then presumably the genepool was cleaner, it just being created and sin just come to the world. Sin is what makes the world degrade. Later inbreeding became a problem. That is my guess on it. But I don't have a final answer, as the Bible does not say exactly how that went down.

[Nikolai]

To expand on it: God created humans perfect. No genetical defects whatsoever. Following the science here, defects will come to the surface after the generations go by. But it would have taken some generations for it to become a problem of inbreeding.

[rah]

That is just silly and convenient.

[rah]

Please don't try to give a scientific explanation. We're already discussing the equivalent of a fairy tale so just say God in his infinite wisdom prevented such problems and leave it at that.

[kentonio]

Also it's not really convenient. If you follow that line of reasoning to it's natural conclusion, it would suggest that having sex with family members is absolutely morally fine, but just a bad idea because of genetics.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Can't answer for Ben, but I do. And so do many (most?) Christians.

Many, yes. Most, I wouldn't go that far. One also has to decide what to do about all the people Cain was scared would kill him when he went East.

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Anyways, the Divorce discussion interests me because Ben (and Felch) were very interested in telling me that God's rules don't change and therefore a newly revealed truth about homosexuality was impossible. But in the Jesus narrative about divorce, it seems that God's rules DID change - why? Because the people were hard of heart - ie, they weren't ready for what God wanted at that time. So which is it?