Texan Bigotry

[Berzerker]

what does that have to do with Paul talking about Ishmael's descendants?

[Berzerker]

I'm sorry Ben, you're clearly upset by our discussion so I wont bother you any more

[SlowwHand]

I think it's kind of interesting that if you can "take it like water off a duck's back" the analogies that people throw at Texas that really have not a thing to do with Texas.
It becomes flattering in a perverse way.

[kentonio]

If I'm wrong and you're right - you won't have to suffer in purgatory, and neither will I. If I'm right and you're wrong, we'll all have to suffer in purgatory - assuming we've been saved. I'm not sure of the latter. And in any case, I will have a long time in purgatory even if I am saved.

Given that purgatory didn't get added as a formal church doctrine for over 1000 years (IIRC), I'm going to have to go with the Orthodox guys on this one.

[kentonio]

I don't think you have to explain yourself to St. Peter in the age to come . Though my view of that age isn't the good ole evangelical 'you go somewhere else' type of corruption of Scripture. Ben would likely have to face judgment from God before his sins were to be burned off in the cleansing fire before he (and all of us) could go live in the new heaven & new earth.

Fire?

[kentonio]

Yet it is Christ himself who says, "suffer not the little children and let them come to me."

Yet very few little children claim to be an expert on Christianity. Maybe you should follow their wise lead.

You seem to believe that the proper Christianity never offends anyone.

Lots of things about Christianity offend me, but oh so many more things about you personally.

Yawn. Do you sincerely believe that no one else shares my interpretation?

I'm sure with a little work we could find multiple people who believe that eating their own feces is a good idea, but finding two idiots sharing an idea doesn't actually prove anything.

Why don't you become one and then find out what my judgment will be in the world to come?

On second thoughts the idea of spending my life not experiencing the rich wonders of existence just because some fictional character supposedly wrote a do's and don'ts list for me 2000 years ago just isn't that appealing. Ditto the idea of feeling guilt for the fictional death of an incarnation of an immortal figure (Which I must admit I've never been able to wrap my head around).

[Imran Siddiqui]

Given that purgatory didn't get added as a formal church doctrine for over 1000 years (IIRC), I'm going to have to go with the Orthodox guys on this one.

I'm Protestant. Lutheran to be specific. Though a lot of my views on the age to come arises from an Anglican (N.T. Wright). Rob Bell (an evangelical Protestant) is also good with this.

[Dauphin]

Yet it is Christ himself who says, "suffer not the little children and let them come to me."

You saying that Jesus was a paedophile priest. You are one sick puppy.

[Ben Kenobi]

what does that have to do with Paul talking about Ishmael's descendants?

Not a thing in the world. That's my point.

[Ben Kenobi]

I'm sorry Ben, you're clearly upset by our discussion so I wont bother you any more

I am. I work in this field and it's disheartening to see someone making your arguments. I'm not so much angry as disappointed. I work with kids who just quote wikipedia on everything and I have to teach them about the reliability of sources and why wikipedia cannot be used for papers.

[Ben Kenobi]

You saying that Jesus was a paedophile priest. You are one sick puppy.

Perhaps that's your interpretation of the passage, but he did actually say this. All he's saying here is that Children can love God, and we shouldn't get in the way.

[Ben Kenobi]

Given that purgatory didn't get added as a formal church doctrine for over 1000 years (IIRC), I'm going to have to go with the Orthodox guys on this one.

Who added it? Who, what, where, when, why and how? It's always been church doctrine and there are references to it in scripture, "our works will be tested by fire".

[Ben Kenobi]

Yet very few little children claim to be an expert on Christianity. Maybe you should follow their wise lead.

Perhaps then one does not need to be an expert in order to come to know and understand God. I don't believe I've ever claimed to be an expert.

Lots of things about Christianity offend me, but oh so many more things about you personally.

Good!

I'm sure with a little work we could find multiple people who believe that eating their own feces is a good idea, but finding two idiots sharing an idea doesn't actually prove anything.

So you cede the point that it's not my idea. Surely, if it were my idea, would I not have something more in accordance with the times? Remember, I'm a convert. Everything I know I was taught by someone else.

On second thoughts the idea of spending my life not experiencing the rich wonders of existence just because some fictional character supposedly wrote a do's and don'ts list for me 2000 years ago just isn't that appealing.

Odd that.

Ditto the idea of feeling guilt for the fictional death of an incarnation of an immortal figure (Which I must admit I've never been able to wrap my head around).

Yeah, it can be a bit of a shock, but yes, Christ is immortal, chose to become man in the flesh, chose to die on the cross, and actually died. Many here on earth believed that he was God until he died because, "God can't die". But it makes sense in Christian theology. Birds and animals are imperfect sacrifices. Christ was the perfect sacrifice in that he was sinless, that he did so voluntarily. This is why he could serve as the substititutionary sacrifice for sin, for everyone. And yes, he really did die.

[kentonio]

I'm Protestant. Lutheran to be specific. Though a lot of my views on the age to come arises from an Anglican (N.T. Wright). Rob Bell (an evangelical Protestant) is also good with this.

My apologies, was thinking about Elok.

[kentonio]

Perhaps then one does not need to be an expert in order to come to know and understand God. I don't believe I've ever claimed to be an expert.

Few things say humility more than claiming to 'know and understand' god. :uhoh

So you cede the point that it's not my idea. Surely, if it were my idea, would I not have something more in accordance with the times? Remember, I'm a convert. Everything I know I was taught by someone else.

I absolutely agree that you're not nearly intelligent enough to have formed these ridiculous biblical interpretations all on your own.

Yeah, it can be a bit of a shock, but yes, Christ is immortal, chose to become man in the flesh, chose to die on the cross, and actually died. Many here on earth believed that he was God until he died because, "God can't die". But it makes sense in Christian theology. Birds and animals are imperfect sacrifices. Christ was the perfect sacrifice in that he was sinless, that he did so voluntarily. This is why he could serve as the substititutionary sacrifice for sin, for everyone. And yes, he really did die.

God incarnates as a man. God then gets himself killed. God then says that humanity (the people who just killed God) are then forgiven. God then stop being dead, because he can't actually die anyway. Does this actually make some form of sense?

Since when the **** did christians believe in bird and animal sacrifice btw!?!?!