I don't think you have to explain yourself to St. Peter in the age to come . Though my view of that age isn't the good ole evangelical 'you go somewhere else' type of corruption of Scripture. Ben would likely have to face judgment from God before his sins were to be burned off in the cleansing fire before he (and all of us) could go live in the new heaven & new earth.
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Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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No-one cares about your faith or lack of it, it's your ridiculous pre-school reading of the bible
that's bordering on offensive.
I've actually heard some pretty good explanations for why god would allow polygamy in ancient times
You being you though, you just make up your own version of the bible to suit your own interpretation.
It'd almost be worth becoming a Christian if someone could guarantee me that there's an afterlife and that once there I could stand and watch you try and explain yourself to St Peter. The comedic potential would be near limitless.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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You argued the brother had to be a bachelor, Deut 25 is silent about that.
At best, your whole argument is based on silence. My argument that polygamy is condemned by God is backed up by what Jesus says in Matthew 19 arguing that the ideal of marriage was one man and one woman. My argument does not depend on Deut 25. Yours does.
Just read the text
it explains why polygamy is commanded - the brother must marry the widow of his deceased brother so that his name will carry on.
These people were intensely hung up on purity and lineages, thats why the widow is supposed to marry a brother-in-law rather than a stranger
The sin is not polygamy, its refusing marriage by the bachelor and polygamy by the brother who is already married.
Can you find an example where a polygamous marriage is the sin? Dont use JesusScouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostYou argued that the brother still had the obligation even if he were already married. Deut 25 is silent about that.
My argument that polygamy is condemned by God is backed up by what Jesus says in Matthew 19 arguing that the ideal of marriage was one man and one woman. My argument does not depend on Deut 25. Yours does.
The text is silent in saying that the brother has an obligation if he is already married.
The only problem - there is nothing in there that specifies that the brother must marry even if already married. Which is crucial to your position.
Yes, for the preservation of the patrimony. If the brother is already married, then there's no need for a second marriage in order to preserve the patrimony.
And that, in a nutshell is why this debate is finished. Thank you Berz!
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Do you want to explain why Paul speaks of Ishmael's descendants alive in his day? Thats pre-Islamic documentation of their existence straight from the Bible.Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,”i meaning one person, who is Christ.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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I think it's kind of interesting that if you can "take it like water off a duck's back" the analogies that people throw at Texas that really have not a thing to do with Texas.
It becomes flattering in a perverse way.Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostIf I'm wrong and you're right - you won't have to suffer in purgatory, and neither will I. If I'm right and you're wrong, we'll all have to suffer in purgatory - assuming we've been saved. I'm not sure of the latter. And in any case, I will have a long time in purgatory even if I am saved.
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View PostI don't think you have to explain yourself to St. Peter in the age to come . Though my view of that age isn't the good ole evangelical 'you go somewhere else' type of corruption of Scripture. Ben would likely have to face judgment from God before his sins were to be burned off in the cleansing fire before he (and all of us) could go live in the new heaven & new earth.
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostYet it is Christ himself who says, "suffer not the little children and let them come to me."
Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostYou seem to believe that the proper Christianity never offends anyone.
Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostYawn. Do you sincerely believe that no one else shares my interpretation?
Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostWhy don't you become one and then find out what my judgment will be in the world to come?
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Originally posted by kentonio View PostGiven that purgatory didn't get added as a formal church doctrine for over 1000 years (IIRC), I'm going to have to go with the Orthodox guys on this one.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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what does that have to do with Paul talking about Ishmael's descendants?Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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I'm sorry Ben, you're clearly upset by our discussion so I wont bother you any moreScouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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