Texan Bigotry

[Guynemer]

I find it intriguing that Texas seems to be the center of controversy for seemingly everything. You say you want us to secede but you'd **** bricks were it to happen.

I don't know if "**** bricks" is accurate.

Well, if you mean we'd laugh so hard then we'd **** bricks, then you're spot-on.

[molly bloom]

Yes. Today it is. Back then presumably the genepool was cleaner, .

Might I suggest your biology homework wasn't handed in ? If all humanity were indeed descended from just two individuals, we'd be slavering drooling idiots with multiple birth defects.

Adam and Eve is a myth- not solely found in Hebrew texts either- one has only to look at at Norse or Greek mythology for similar creation myths.

Muspell
The first world to exist was Muspell, a place of light and heat whose flames are so hot that those who are not native to that land cannot endure it.
Surt sits at Muspell's border, guarding the land with a flaming sword. At the end of the world he will vanquish all the gods and burn the whole world with fire.


Ginnungagap and Niflheim
Beyond Muspell lay the great and yawning void named Ginnungagap, and beyond Ginnungagap lay the dark, cold realm of Niflheim.
Ice, frost, wind, rain and heavy cold emanated from Niflheim, meeting in Ginnungagap the soft air, heat, light, and soft air from Muspell.


Ymir
Where heat and cold met appeared thawing drops, and this running fluid grew into a giant frost ogre named Ymir.

Frost ogres
Ymir slept, falling into a sweat. Under his left arm there grew a man and a woman. And one of his legs begot a son with the other. This was the beginning of the frost ogres.

The Edda of Snorri Sturlusson

http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/creation.html

[molly bloom]

And none of them involve Gay Marriage because Gay marriage doesn't propagate. That's an argument from anthropology against your position.

Lots of heterosexual marriages don't result in children. Wake up to the world of in vitro fertilization and adoption agencies... In any case, marriage was more about property than fecundity, although of course if you were dynastically minded and the Pope was scared of yoru big armies, he might let you have an annulment. Of course if you were really powerful, you could just ignore him, and ditch the missus for the mistress.

So what part of the bible is meant to be taken literally?

Shall I just point out that the collection of texts we call the Bible aren't a set of instructions from IKEA ? Some were written in a particular way (using allusive metaphorical language) and some weren't- those ten commandments that Christians seem to have such trouble observing for instance.

You don't give yourself enough credit.

My fault is charity- I give you too much by deigning to reply to your posts.

Still doesn't get you to the argument that gay marriage is ok.

Well that would depend on whether you have the distorted historically invalid notion that marriage was solely about f*cking and spawning. The fact that in many Western countries a woman could not own property in her own right if she were married (as late as the 19th Century) should tip you off about what the underlying aim of the union was.

[Dauphin]

Might I suggest your biology homework wasn't handed in ? If all humanity were indeed descended from just two individuals, we'd be slavering drooling idiots with multiple birth defects.

Well, we are all descended from just seven daughters of Eve. In a metaphorical and scientific sense.

Been a while since I read on this, so I may have the number and exact details faded from my mind.

[molly bloom]

The text explicitly refers to sodomites in the Greek. It is interesting that the old lies never stop.

As far as I can recall from basic anatomy, anal sex isn't confined to gay men- heterosexuals do it too. In fact in some countries unfortunate enough to have a mainly Catholic culture, I believe it's often used instead of contraception.

I've experienced plenty of discrimination in my life.

Most likely based on your personality, if your posts are anything to go by. If you don't have a big tattoo on your forehead proclaiming your disability, then it's unlikely in the extreme that you'll have experienced anything like the same prejudice and discrimination that an average African American faces- it's not simply the day to day stuff, it's the accumulation of it in that society.

I like how your response blithely ignored the point of course- that certain kinds of discrimination as doled out by self-proclaimed Christians are no longer acceptable- because society has evolved. Similarly, we longer have the deeply unpleasant routine anti-semitism as displayed previously by the Roman Catholic hierarchy or political parties. Small mercies, I suppose.

[Berzerker]

It's in the same book as his evidence that Jesus lived with dinosaurs.

Unless the author made up the claim that pre-Islamic writers referred to peoples and towns named for Ishmael's sons, it doesn't matter if he got something else wrong. Thats the same argument used by people discrediting the Bible - oh look, the Bible is wrong about X so we cant depend on it for other claims

Then why did God disapprove of what went on between him and Uriah?

What went on? You just ignored that God gave David a bunch of wives

So you're conceding now that there's zero connections between Islam and Ishmael?

Where did I say there was a connection? And no, I dont make that concession - I fully expect a bunch of people descended from Abraham and Hagar thru Ishmael became Muslims.

[Sava]

Old Texas bluster is hilarious. The state is changing fast. In a few years, the state will resemble the rest of the country a lot more than it does now. The descendents of the white slave-owning founders are fewer and farther between.

[Ben Kenobi]

I find it intriguing that Texas seems to be the center of controversy for seemingly everything. You say you want us to secede but you'd **** bricks were it to happen.

Texas is awesome! Everyone else is just jealous. You know that dude who lands the hottest chick in school? That's Texas. That's why folks elsewhere hate it so much.

[Ben Kenobi]

The descendents of the white slave-owning founders are fewer and farther between.

I've seen lots of the 'new Texas' folks. Hispanic, Catholic, and more conservative than me. Many have been here long before the white folks came. It's not a new thing, Sava. If you came here you'd understand.

[Ben Kenobi]

Unless the author made up the claim that pre-Islamic writers referred to peoples and towns named for Ishmael's sons, it doesn't matter if he got something else wrong. Thats the same argument used by people discrediting the Bible - oh look, the Bible is wrong about X so we cant depend on it for other claims

Where does the Bible claims that Jesus lived with dinosaurs?

What went on? You just ignored that God gave David a bunch of wives

It's not a command. He didn't tell David, "You must take two wives". He says that as a concession, as proof how much he loves David that , "if that were not enough I would give you all his wives." God also knows what will happen to Uriah which is why he says this to David. To make us understand that it has nothing with 'not having enough sheep', but everything to do with, "stealing the one sheep from the poor to add to the herd." THAT is why God is furious with David.

Where did I say there was a connection? And no, I dont make that concession - I fully expect a bunch of people descended from Abraham and Hagar thru Ishmael became Muslims.

That's not what Muslims claim. Muslims claim that they are children of Ishmael just like Jews are children of Isaac. The problem is, there's nothing to substantiate the connection. I am just as much a child of Ishmael as they.

[Sava]

you are a putz

[Ben Kenobi]

As far as I can recall from basic anatomy, anal sex isn't confined to gay men- heterosexuals do it too. In fact in some countries unfortunate enough to have a mainly Catholic culture, I believe it's often used instead of contraception.

The actual text also refers to sodomites by name. So, again. You're trying to dodge it. Appealing to the Greek isn't going to help you when the Greek is more explicit than the English.

Most likely based on your personality, if your posts are anything to go by. If you don't have a big tattoo on your forehead proclaiming your disability

I wear short hair and hearing aids. So yes, I do have a 'tattoo' on my forehead.

then it's unlikely in the extreme that you'll have experienced anything like the same prejudice and discrimination that an average African American faces- it's not simply the day to day stuff, it's the accumulation of it in that society.

I have had a professor go on about 'how he wasn't going to teach, and didn't have to teach folks like me.' I got an immediate transfer to his less prejudiced professor.

5 percent of folks with my disability go on to complete university. Black people are actually overrepresented at the college level for enrollment but are less likely to finish. So about 15 percent of black people have a degree. That's 3x the rate of folks like me.

If only 5 percent of black folks were graduating with a degree, there would be such a stink about it. Nobody cares about deaf folks -there's not enough for us to matter. The other interesting thing is that only about 1 quarter of all students with a disability actually qualify. 3/4ths of the folks on the 'disability' rolls are there because of ADHD. The simple fact is, if you have a disability, any disability, you are profoundly unlikely to get into college and even less likely to finish.

I like how your response blithely ignored the point of course- that certain kinds of discrimination as doled out by self-proclaimed Christians are no longer acceptable- because society has evolved.

It was Christians who ended slavery in the first place. White Christians didn't invent slavery, but they did end it. When do we start giving white Christians credit?

Similarly, we longer have the deeply unpleasant routine anti-semitism as displayed previously by the Roman Catholic hierarchy or political parties. Small mercies, I suppose.

Yes, but anti-Catholicism is still alive and well. Hey, you and the Klan share something in common.

[Sava]

idiot

[Ben Kenobi]

Lots of heterosexual marriages don't result in children.

Fallacy of the undivided middle. You're not distinguishing causes from effects.

Are gay people infertile? No? Then you concede that there's a difference between infertility and choosing not to have children. And yes, I agree that those choosing not to have children are doing it wrong as well. Lumping those folks in who want children but are infertile with gay people is wrong.

In any case, marriage was more about property than fecundity

To whom? Christ? Christ doesn't mention property anywhere.

, although of course if you were dynastically minded and the Pope was scared of yoru big armies, he might let you have an annulment. Of course if you were really powerful, you could just ignore him, and ditch the missus for the mistress.

"Yes, because they are evil and horrible people that justifies the sin you're committing, because hey, nobody is good, not one". Jesus beat you too it, btw, and it doesn't justify you either.

Shall I just point out that the collection of texts we call the Bible aren't a set of instructions from IKEA ?

Answer the question Molly!

What part of scripture is supposed to be taken literally?

those ten commandments that Christians seem to have such trouble observing for instance.

So in this instance "Love the Lord God" is a command that everyone is supposed to follow?

Well that would depend on whether you have the distorted historically invalid notion that marriage was solely about f*cking and spawning.

As opposed to true love, right? I bet Jesus totally said that, "If you love someone enough you should marry them no matter what stands between you." Amor vincit Omnia right?

Please show me where Jesus says this, anywhere in scripture and I will concede that you are right.

The fact that in many Western countries a woman could not own property in her own right if she were married (as late as the 19th Century) should tip you off about what the underlying aim of the union was.

"Be fruitful and multiply, fill the earth and subdue it?" THIS appears in scripture, btw. "sacrifice your children to molech because the earth is too full", does not.

[Sava]

you are below ****-eating retarded

seriously

you should be locked up