College student hides in attic as armed criminals barge into home

[BlackCat]

What kind of bullets would he be shooting with that would fly through a wall, through the insulation and siding of the house, another 20 feet, into the siding of another house, through insulation of another house, and then into a person? The houses would have to be super close together, like in Canada.

American housing, a cal.22, european cal .50

[giblets]

Let's assume for sake of argument that we're not talking about muzzle loaders. Modern semi-automatic firearms trivialize multiple homicides. The advantage would go to whoever is behind cover, which would presumably be the homeowner.

What sort of cover? Hide behind a couch? Seems too risky if you have to kill more than one but I'm sure you know more about gunning down people than I do.

That is why they make 30 round magazines

I'm not worried about running out of ammo. I'm worried about running out of lives.

[BlackCat]

What sort of cover?

Lots of possibilities - car doors, wooden walls, furniture - the list have no end

[Docfeelgood]

What sort of cover? Hide behind a couch? Seems too risky if you have to kill more than one but I'm sure you know more about gunning down people than I do.



I'm not worried about running out of ammo. I'm worried about running out of lives.

If you don't fight back you surly will die. At least go down fighting.

[giblets]

If you don't fight back you surly will die. At least go down fighting.

The college student didn't die did he?

[Docfeelgood]

not all stories turn out with a happy ending

[Sava]

Navy SEALs are smart enough not to throw themselves into bad situations, even with a weapon handy. Only dumb**** make-believe badasses like DFG would think not hiding in this situation was the right decision.

QFT

[BlackCat]

Well, this dude could probably got rid of the intruders just by making noises. That worked fine for me when a couple of guys smashed my kitchen window while I was sleeping. That of course woke me up and I started yelling and they ran away.

[Sava]

An armed confrontation with another person with a gun is, at best, a mutual suicide pact.

[Ben Kenobi]

I've had that - confronted a dude with a crowbar trying to break in before. Criminal was a dumbass - broke an already open door...

[Felch]

What sort of cover? Hide behind a couch? Seems too risky if you have to kill more than one but I'm sure you know more about gunning down people than I do.

Would you rather be one of two people exposed in some stranger's foyer, or the one person fighting from even a semi-protected position? Cover and concealment determine who wins a firefight, whether you're charging through the mud of Ypres or in your own house. The kid in the home knew that these guys were coming in, and he'd have been able to get the drop on them. That means that at least one intruder, and possibly both, could have been killed or seriously wounded without getting a chance to fire.

Bottom line, I'd much rather defend than invade a house. Only way I'd want to invade a defended home is if I had some way of neutralizing their advantage (molotov through an upstairs window would be a good start).

[regexcellent]

This incident would've been far more American if the kid had a gun and was poorly trained. He could've shot at the intruders, killed one of them before he was killed. Only one or two neighbours would've been hit by stray bullets, too.

I'm sorry that reality didn't live up to your fanciful expectations.

[BlackCat]

Bottom line, I'd much rather defend than invade a house. Only way I'd want to invade a defended home is if I had some way of neutralizing their advantage (molotov through an upstairs window would be a good start).

Quite rigth, that is the way to rob a house where you expect the owners to have guns

[giblets]

Would you rather be one of two people exposed in some stranger's foyer, or the one person fighting from even a semi-protected position? Cover and concealment determine who wins a firefight, whether you're charging through the mud of Ypres or in your own house. The kid in the home knew that these guys were coming in, and he'd have been able to get the drop on them. That means that at least one intruder, and possibly both, could have been killed or seriously wounded without getting a chance to fire.

Bottom line, I'd much rather defend than invade a house. Only way I'd want to invade a defended home is if I had some way of neutralizing their advantage (molotov through an upstairs window would be a good start).

Even if the odds are in your favor it's not necessarily worth it to take, say, a 10% chance of getting killed rather than lose some of your belongings.

[-Jrabbit]

Keep an eye on this story, DFG. Can't shake the feeling that this kid faked the whole thing.